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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Mon Feb 9th at 5:46pm 2004

And some people aren't showing superior old games proper respect.



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Posted by Crono on Mon Feb 9th at 8:36pm 2004

Hornpipe: I play old ass games all the time, they're great. Nostalgia doesn't really come into play if the game is you know . . . GOOD. The game it's self should keep you entertained. I don't really consider any of my games to be nostalgic as I don't remember the first time I played most of them.

Yak: Damn straight! [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Mon Feb 9th at 9:17pm 2004

Chrono-
Yes I agree with you many games are over looked because of their graphics, I was only mentioning that 7 was a hit because it set new standards for 3d "movies".

There is nothing wrong with 2d sprites, there isn't anything wrong with 3d either, just as long as the gameplay and story is well done (my opinion).

Well what are your top 3 ff hits then, im curious to know, im not looking to put anything down, im just wondering? So with all this I dont think you can call me "wong" because I do know what im talking about, unlike my other friends who say X was great (losers).

-omega





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Posted by Pegs on Mon Feb 9th at 9:42pm 2004

i have played FF2 (i think) FF7 FF8 FF10 and i think that the best one is FF7. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Mon Feb 9th at 9:44pm 2004

I didn't say hits, did I? If I did I meant three others that are better.

IV V VI (II V III American). . . all better then VII. I also said RPGs in general, but oh well.

The funny thing is, I know so many people who sold every game they had for their SNES so they could get a Playstation when FFVII came out, now they're pissed. Because VII wasn't that good of a game, I mean don't get me wrong it's not the perverbial crap that is FFX (or VIII OH GOD!). But it is by no means a great game. Yeah, woopdie doo it gave us FMVs . . . I hate FMVs now, they're too overblown, so you're technically saying FFVII is to blame lol.

There's too many RPGs (and I do mean turn based RPGs) To say the most popular one is the best (or even close) Which, I'm not attacking you or anything, is what you said.

I could list a bajillion more that are better then FFVII in my opinion as well. But then again, you'd probably never be able to check to see if I'm right or not, because you wont find copies of them.

I personally think Xenogears was better then most Final Fantasy games (staying in the squarecrap universe).
If you want to go outside of their publishing realm there's also:
Breath of Fire series (four games to date)
Lunar series (two games, in various incarnations)
Phatasy Star Series (I think they're up to 6 or 7, starting way back on the master system )
Suikoden Series (very nice because your character builds from game to game, try finding 2, if you do let me know lol)
Arc the Lad (In several incarnations, this also allows you to move your character stats from game to game)
There's also Star Ocean, Wild Arms1 and 2 (I didn't care for 3), Grandia 1 and 2, and Persona2 and 1 (Play them in that order, you'll understand if you do lol). . . The list goes on. In fact (in my opinion) Square is one of the worst RPG makers. They seem to not want to make RPGs, but make movies and turn based action games insteadlol. But, this is all my opinion of course.

If you want some other series: Dragon Warrior is good(Dragon Quest outside of the U.S.) V and VI was never released here though

Then there's the generation before last (16-Bit generation) Which I haven't even mentioned. All those games you can find on the PSone or PS2 in some way or another.

If you want wonderful old RPGs:
Chrono Trigger (obviously)
Secret Of Mana
Gia (this was a weird ass game, but cool, I hope its the one I'm thinking of, it was more or less an Action RPG where you started as a FISH and evolved through time with gaining Experience and "upgrading" parts of your body . . . I always get the names confused with this other RPG made by ENIX about a kid who (surprise surprise) is the protector of the universe.)
Secret of Evermore
Dragon Warrior (1-5 6 and 7 are on PSone I believe). . . the list just goes on. I'm also not counting the newly released GBA remakes of old Japan releases, that weren't released here originaly of course.

There's a world of RPGs out there much better then Final Fantasy, however, there are some out there that are way worse. Like Parasite Eve 2. . .why? the first one was good, really good actually and innovative . . . why did they make its sequel a resident evil rip off????????????????????????????????????

~sigh~
My gaming thirst, sadly, does not comply with the average gaming market. [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Mon Feb 9th at 9:55pm 2004

ya well what are ya gonna do? (not meant to be answered)

lets just put this behind us and blame microsoft for all the crap out there.





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Posted by Crono on Mon Feb 9th at 10:00pm 2004

sounds good to me lol. [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Mon Feb 9th at 10:06pm 2004

Well if you think about it its true, microsoft is to blame, giving off whole new crap that made other games strive to reach their goal of better graphicss and gameplay, when they concentrate on graphics and leave out gameplay all together, thats why older games are better, because of the old gameplay. really think about it.
-omega



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Posted by Crono on Mon Feb 9th at 10:20pm 2004

Well, yes and no. But not in this case.
Because Microsoft had s**t for games when FFVII was made, also, you have to remember Microsoft doesn't draw as much water in other countries as it does in the U.S. (Besides other English Speaking, or simular, countries).

But to say MS is literally responsable for FFVII and the Graphics Movement, I don't think so. I mean, God, I love good looking games, they're great. But if they're not fun what the hell is the point? I have no problems with good graphics as long as the gameplay meets the par as well, and honestly the Bar isn't very high lately, because games have degraded over the years getting dumbed down for little kids and such. Ever played Ikaruga? now that's a game! The first level is harder then half the bosses in most action games on the hardest level.
But it's fun. Not to mention it still looks good (They uped the graphics from its predicesor on the Dreamcast).

Now, can microsoft be blamed for s**tty games? yes, yes they can.
Now someone might go, but Halo is made by Microsoft and it's good. Well, yes Halo is fun, but Microsoft didn't make it, they just published it (and got rights and all that garbage).

I know many people who're console and PC gamers, and on the console they perfer XBOX . . . WHY? they have a computer already! Not to mention, most everything that is good on the XBOX (All five games) can be found else where. (and the damn thing is the size of my VCR, Yikes).

~sigh~

Can anyone honestly think of a good game made by Microsoft and not something they just bought a company to do for them? lol

This is an honest question though, because I can't (And I do mean a GOOD game, none of that Midtown Madness crap).

Oh and to try to keep the thread on track: The only good thing about Chrono Cross was it's music, which was beautiful to say the least. (the game was a total let down though, damn Square and thier psuedo-innovation). [addsig]




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