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Posted by Leperous on Sat Feb 14th at 6:02pm 2004

I 'know' it more than believe it, because of a little thing called scientific thought. Calling upon the supernatural is what you do when you get stuck, but then someone cleverer than you will come along and explain it for you.

I am also loathe to listen to what the bible tries to tell me about how the world is, because it has a bad track record and is obviously just a set of stories.

The mind is an incredible box of tricks, but 'love is only a feeling', which like I said is simply an alteration of how you percieve the world and act due to chemical and electrical changes in your brain. On a higher level, it's your subconscious strongly telling you you want something, and to go out of your way to get it. What do you think love is- something more, another higher level? If so, what proof do you have, other than another feeling?

And what evidence at all do you have for a god or any other supernatural event or guidance in this world? It's trying to apply human thoughts and experiences to the universe if you call upon one- thinking that we must go somewhere when we die, that there's someone in the sky taking care of us and who will reward us if we do good, that someone must have made the Universe and given it a point.





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Posted by Bewbies on Sat Feb 14th at 6:36pm 2004

is that really what you think? because i wasnt making any attempt and gaining any ground in this argument here. there are times when im argumentative and downright antagonistic - because, well, its fun to argue. however... to argue over this subject, you can't just do it on a whim - for the hell of it. I also have friends and family that are balls to bones christians - just like you do. what would your mother say to lep's essay? because if she were the kind of christian you're defending, she would be praying for lep right now. if you are really so intent on "winning" this "there is a god" argument, do it in action. act like a christian - that which you are defending. because even in arguments, actions speak louder than words.

<---- seriously... that looks like a penis more than ANY cat ive seen. look at iiiiit

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Posted by Cassius on Sat Feb 14th at 7:09pm 2004

? posted by Leperous

I 'know' it more than believe it, because of a little thing called scientific thought. Calling upon the supernatural is what you do when you get stuck, but then someone cleverer than you will come along and explain it for you.

I am also loathe to listen to what the bible tries to tell me about how the world is, because it has a bad track record and is obviously just a set of stories.

The mind is an incredible box of tricks, but 'love is only a feeling', which like I said is simply an alteration of how you percieve the world and act due to chemical and electrical changes in your brain. On a higher level, it's your subconscious strongly telling you you want something, and to go out of your way to get it. What do you think love is- something more, another higher level? If so, what proof do you have, other than another feeling?

And what evidence at all do you have for a god or any other supernatural event or guidance in this world? It's trying to apply human thoughts and experiences to the universe if you call upon one- thinking that we must go somewhere when we die, that there's someone in the sky taking care of us and who will reward us if we do good, that someone must have made the Universe and given it a point.

The concept of God is different for me. Some people think of some old dude in the sky raining thunderbolts down on people, but I don't think so.

If the entire universe is a supercomplex web of action and reaction, and presumably time is not infinite in both 'directions', then there must have been something to start it.

You clearly see God as something that human beings invent when they have reached the end of the knowledge that they readily have access to, but 'scientific knowledge' as something vast and infinite, able to explain all things beyond what we know. I don't think science alone can give me or anyone else a reason to be alive. Theology and science, I believe, are tied together, because they're both a search for answers, and in some cases quite equal to each other.

I said 'why do you believe that' because I wanted to know what it was in your own life that made you not believe in Christianity or God; clearly, these things to not get decided in totally fair and balanced instances. I'd ask you the same thing about why you don't believe in love.

Trust me when I know exactly what you're saying. Everything we think is just a set of electrical and chemical mixes and combinations; but I'd ask you, since that's the only thing we'll ever feel, why despise it? Why shun our own nature and desires?

"if you are really so intent on "winning" this "there is a god" argument, do it in action. act like a christian - that which you are defending. because even in arguments, actions speak louder than words."

How about no, Bewbies? I'm not a Christian, but I will defend them, and I will do it how and why I please, without your oh-so-valuable input. If you honestly think that nobody ever leaves a debate thinking differently, then A. there is no point to trying to prove that to me, and B. you have never been in a successful debate. And 'actions speak louder than words'? What the hell do you suggest I do? Interpretive dance?





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Posted by Leperous on Sat Feb 14th at 8:28pm 2004

I do believe in love, I think I know what it *actually* is, but I never said I despised it for being that way, and you still haven't answered what you think it is And I also never said science was infinite, I don't believe anything physical can be infinite (that is a belief though) and that there is a limit to what the Universe can actually do- and who knows, when we reach the point of understanding everything, we'll probably start playing about and trying to change things ourselves and effectively become 'gods'.

However, I get tired of people saying that we will never be able to answer things like where did the Universe come from. 200 years ago, people didn't even know that other galaxies existed, and until about 10 years ago we'd never actually seen another extrasolar planet. We're learning pretty quickly, but I don't think we'll be able to answer that question until we sort out our time travel paradoxes... And the reason you're alive is because your parents had sex once upon a time, and from that zygote stage for you it obviously all went downhill hehe





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Posted by Cassius on Sat Feb 14th at 11:39pm 2004

Love is the deepest form of instinct or 'fear' (as many in politics slander ANY instinct as) - in a perfectly reasonable world, love shouldn't exist (self sacrifice, lack of defined motives, leaning away from rational behavior), and really in a perfectly animalistic world, love doesn't exist either ('settling down' and having comfortable and stable relationships is a female notion, within genders people are 'supposed' to be always combatting eachother for more sex and food). It doesn't have a real direct explanation besides that it is unique in having no explanation.

Words aren't things, words are representations of things, and I think any real meaning of life or of human experience cannot be butchered down to words without severely decaying its own essence. Clearly, love is one of these things.

I don't think its important to know everything, and having an addiction to knowledge is just as bad as having an addiction to anything else. People consider an addiction to knowledge and finding the truth because we have spent most of human existance cutting eachother up before we knew why we were doing it.

Just like with food, you don't eat more of it than you need, or less than you need. Everyone has a unique amount of knowledge that they need to explain their own world, no matter how it may rank up to higher standards, I say so be it.






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