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Re: More on religion
Posted by matt on Mon Feb 23rd at 5:19pm 2004


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? posted by Tracer Bullet

From my perspective Lep, God might will repect your decision to be an atheist. I believe in an afterlife, though beyond that I've no idea what it is. I also believe that you do not have to be a christian to experience it. I'm perfectly willing to assume that I may meet you in "heaven".

Sorry to drag this up again, but I've had a thought- my more learned Christian friends would tell me that as a non-believer, I will simply not go to heaven. Presumably you've all read the bible. What am I meant to make of such vagueness and ambiguity over this point, I am confused by the message the bible gives us, which surely can't be right for the perfect Word of God.

I mean, the bible tells us that slavery is ok (Leviticus 25, Exodus 21- God says to Moses, "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."- and even Jesus says it's okay to beat your slaves, in Luke 12).

There are also a lot of instances where God says it's acceptable to kill a man for certain reasons, e.g. if they hit their parents (Exodus 21), adultery or homosexuality (Leviticus 20, Deuteronomy 22), atheists or people who believe in other religions (2 Chronicles 15, Deuteronomy 13- this passage even states you should burn down whole towns which contain even one non-believer!), or even working on a Sunday (Exodus 31). Isiaiah 14:21 also tells us it's okay to slay the children of people who have done wrong. God also says that if a man rapes an unmarried woman he must pay a fine, and that they must get married.

These morals are taught along with the 'standard set' that Christianity is meant to stand on- they're from the same books- but are, strangely, ignored. I am muchly confused about the message of the bible, and how you have to cherry-pick it for it to seem 'right'.

Yeah - I just had a look through that bit and was horrified, this bit jumped out of the page at me:

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... He shall be bought brought to the door to the doorstep; and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him for life

Lovelly.

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Re: More on religion
Posted by Leperous on Mon Feb 23rd at 5:31pm 2004


Ok, but the point was still over going to heaven, i.e. the main reason *why* anyone becomes religious.



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Re: More on religion
Posted by matt on Mon Feb 23rd at 6:25pm 2004


? posted by Leperous
Ok, but the point was still over going to heaven, i.e. the main reason *why* anyone becomes religious.

From my own experiance people become religious because thats how they were raised. I went to 'Sunday School' for a long time, but stopped going due to my athiest beliefs. So its not all about heaven. The truth as I see it is that nobody knows for sure what happens when we die, so the best idea as I see it is to live our lives as best as we can, willing to co-operate with our fellow man and not to descriminate. Which brings something else up. What of this whole n0ob thing? Surely if we we'rnt so offish towards new members, then a whole load of people would begin mapping. Then again, maybe the damage is done.

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