I dont know why people dont like mel gibson I like quite alot of his films especially the Leathal Weapon series and Mad Max 2 but I didn't like Braveheart or Patriot that much.

I liked the battle seanes in Patriot especially when the cannon ball hit that bloke in the head but apart from that it was pretty boring and Braveheart well that was just crap especially the crap accent he did it didnt sound that scottish.

But as for the film about jesus I won't begoing to the cinema to see it not that I think it looks s**t cos from what I've seen it looks alright I just dont go to the cinema unless I really want to see the film.

I'll either wait for it to come on DVD or I'll aquire it in a few months.

There is one group of christians that got a license to show it at 3 venues around the US and they are (or were) planing on using it as a pice of propaganda for recruting perposes like they did with the last film about jesus.

It's a good film, and I think even non christians would agree with me.

The strongest message I recieved was, as Brasso says, the level to which human cruelty can go. regaurdless of weather you believe in Jesus, the things they show being done to him were standard forms of punishment in that time. The thought that ran through my head throughout was "how could you do that?" how could you bring yourself to accept such brutality as part of your job and society?

As to the rampant claims in the media of antisemetism, I think that's hogwash. Jesus was a jew, his followers were jews. It's completly irrational to caste the situation as antisemetic. If Jesus and his followers had been portrayed unrealisticaly as caucasian, then there would be a valid point, but the film was quite biblicaly accurate.

Did it have the suiside squad?

sorry I just started thinking about the Life of Brian where he's being crusifyed and a guard comes and askes who's Brian and every one but Brian says there Brian I love the bloke that says "I'm Brian and so is my wife".

I carnt beleve that that film was banned for 20 years for being anti-christian.

Well, that ruins my plans.

And, Mr. WhiteLegion, I don't think if you were getting your ass whipped with razor edge whips and nailed on a cross that you would give too much thought to the fact that crucifiction was a common practice (which I don't believe it was until Spartacus' slave revolt), much less that it was unfair to focus on your own suffering because others had been given worse treatment.

Had the movie explored into any of God's teachings, people would be having a much larger hissy fit about the whole thing, but that was not its end - the movie was made to show you exactly what happened to Jesus to inspire respect for the belief that he died for us.

assuming the whole Jesus thing even occurred, i think a graphic depiction is in order, or at the very least, past due for one..

hell we have much more recent atrocities, that have been authenticated, and documented with video.. (i refer to the Holocaust movies such as shindlers list and/or the very REAL atrocities the american cavalry did to our native americans )

personally i doubt almost anything written as long ago as the bible for anything resembling authenticity, but considering so many DO believe its accurate enuff to read, i see no real issue with watching it in video form.

remember, i have not seen the movie, i am only commenting on what people seem to be saying.. i am not trying to start another Theo-war just voicing my concerns and/or thoughts.

my theory sir gwil.. any society that depicts jesus as a caucasian, deserves my scorn at best, and my outright .. well i have no faith in a people who cannot even get the race illustrated correctly :/

as to the guy "jesus" , i have no doubt he lived, but i also contend his life... was just as boring as the next sheep herder of the time..

jesus is larger than life, because it has been "told' that way, not because of anything that occurred..

choosing to dissect my wording yakman

the race would definitely not be of the image we commonly see throughout the american churches thats for sure..

fair hair, light skin, essentially american white people.

now you could also dissect, my description or american white too.. but i think you grasp the gist of my comment, even if i illustrated it poorly..

america has "whitened" our rendition of the jesus we know today.

pictures of jesus, may look more authentic in other places, or countries, but i find it difficult to imagine the "jesus christ superstar" image coming from the location of Israel, or wherever his origin..