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Posted by Death To lag? on Tue Mar 2nd at 9:51pm 2004

holy shizzle! lol thats hudge [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Tue Mar 2nd at 10:00pm 2004

So how did this forum turn into a talk about healthy things to eat? lol But I must agree with A_S, meat is bad for you, just go back to the years of biology, when plants make their own food they consume 90/100 parts of food of they make, and store the 10 parts, then when an animal eats the plant they consume 9/10 (from above) parts of food for their growth, and store the 1 part for later, Then the process continues on and on, you getting less nutrition ever step, so whats logical? eating plants, they provide so much more nutrition than animals do. But what it all boils down to is meat tases better for the masses. So there is nothing wrong with it at all. its just how you stay in shape. My English teacher told our class that while he was in ireland visiting relatives, the people there eat a lot of food, and go for walks, And America is the fat country? the answer is the people of irelan work it off in their walks. just my 2 cents.





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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue Mar 2nd at 10:06pm 2004

Meat isn't bad for you. Milk isn't bad for you. Candy isn't bad for you. It's all about moderation.





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Posted by Crono on Tue Mar 2nd at 10:07pm 2004

Dude, most people in America aren't fat. I mean a large percentage is (most of which are over 25 to 30), but not really the majority. Either that or all the fat people are in hiding lol.

And, shut up, lamb is awesome. And what are you talking about?? you can get lamb for your weekly diet. Its a little more expensive, because it's lamb, but you can get it just fine. Deer however, you have to go out and kill it your self, unless you find some deer steaks at the supermarket or something.

There are way too many 'fads' in America (working out being once) to that, what you may mean, is that there isn't many people who are normal here. Everyone, for the most part is an extremity of some sterotype. You're either really skinny, really fat, or really buff. For the most part this is true, but there are people who are normal, you just don't know about them, because sterotypes make news (and yes, they do, they also create giant misconseptions, think about how many times a girl has been a bitch to you because she thinks you're an asshole, even before you talk to her?).

Anyway, I suggest not commenting on my comments, it'll make an anurism pop in your forehead.


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Yak, has the right idea.
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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 10:17pm 2004

People have just become accustomed to the taste of cooked meat. If you eat raw vegetables all your life you wouldn't mind the taste of them.

Omega, there's more to losing weight than walking.

Crono, I never said lamb wasn't available.

Yak I disagree. Candy is bad for you regardless of how much you eat. Just because you don't see the effects instantly doesn't mean they aren't there.

An experiment was carried out on 900 cats where half of them were fed cooked food and the others were fed the same food but raw. Unsurprisingly the cats on raw food lived halthy lives and only died of natural causes while the other half started getting cancers and heart disease. Their life expectance was half that of the cats fed raw food. I'll try and find something about that experiment. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Tue Mar 2nd at 10:19pm 2004

There's only one problem with that A_S . . . . we're not cats. lol [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Tue Mar 2nd at 10:22pm 2004

Just like candy soda is the same, at my High school they sold soda, my thoughts were, why dont they just sell crack or someother drug? They both have the same effects, only crack is a little more heavy.....The school would be making more money selling drugs though.



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 10:23pm 2004

We still process the food the same way though. Food in, poop out as Orph would eloquently say.

A small ammendment to what I said earlier too. Red meat actually takes 4 hours just to leave the stomach and 3 days to leave the body.

edit: The thing about the cats is completely true, and there's more to it. Google Dr Frances Pottinger. [addsig]



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Posted by Gollum on Tue Mar 2nd at 10:46pm 2004

? posted by omegaslayer4777

But I must agree with A_S, meat is bad for you, just go back to the years of biology, when plants make their own food they consume 90/100 parts of food of they make, and store the 10 parts, then when an animal eats the plant they consume 9/10 (from above) parts of food for their growth, and store the 1 part for later, Then the process continues on and on, you getting less nutrition ever step, so whats logical? eating plants, they provide so much more nutrition than animals do. But what it all boils down to is meat tases better for the masses.

My God, how can you possibly have said something so idiotic on so many levels? It's almost a masterpiece of stupidity.

The premise is correct - at each stage of consumption, energy is lost. But the correct conclusion is not that there is less "nutrition" in meat than in plants; rather, it is that the total biomass of plants must be vastly greater than that of animals (which is true, of course).

A cow will have much less "nutrition" (better, "total capacity to supply energy") than all of the grass that it had to consume in order to grow. But would you really want to eat all that grass, even supposing you liked grass?

The conclusion that you seem to draw (if you can be said to reach a coherent one at all) is that there is more energy in a (say) 200g bunch of grass than in a 200g sirloin steak. But this is just wrong (well, in terms of the energy we can use. Strictly speaking they are equivalent in terms of total energy). A 200g steak will provide vastly more energy to a human than the same mass of grass.

Further, it is facile to conflate different types of nutrition. Meat is an excellent source of protein, whereas vegeteble matter for the most part is not. It is possible to obtain enough protein from vegetable matter alone, but it is extremely difficult to obtain important specific amino acids from a solely vegetarian diet. Vegan diets are even worse.

As an aside, I consider it irresponsible to bring up a child on a vegetarian diet, and certainly so on a vegan diet. It will damage their health, and in the case of veganism will probably lead to fearfully brittle bones.

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Just like candy soda is the same, at my High school they sold soda, my thoughts were, why dont they just sell crack or someother drug? They both have the same effects, only crack is a little more heavy

Again, are you really the complete moron that your words suggest you to be, or are you deliberately talking nonsense?

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Looks like I've cracked again and gone on one of my flabbergasted tirades, in which I crucify some poor bastard for timesharing his only brain cell.

Ah well.

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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:05pm 2004

Mike, the chinese consume no cows milk or dairy products and they have the lowest rates of osteoperosis in the world. Broccili and onions are great sources of natural calcium.

A little more on milk. Milk contains a protien called casein. Casein is used as a base in the strongest wood glues, that's why it sticks to your stomach and intestines. Cows milk has 300 times more casein than human milk.

Edit: I thought you were a little harsh too Mike, but I didn't say anything for fear of your wrath. [addsig]



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Posted by Gollum on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:19pm 2004

I don't want to suggest that balanced vegetarian or even vegan diets are impossible (though I am sceptical about vegan diets for children). Indeed, some cultures may very well perfect such diets. Nor do I want to suggest that our modern Western obsession with over-consumption and convenience foods is a good thing. Quite the contrary!

I do feel, however, that enforcing a vegetarian diet on a child, in most Western societies at least where there is a high chance of the parents being "recent converts" from an omnivorous diet, is irresponsible simply because it is unlikely to provide the required nutrition. Granted there may be cases where the parents have done in-depth research and discovered a diet that will provide all the requirements of a growing child. These exceptions I do not take issue with. But the great majority will simply be enforcing their mediocre adult vegetarian/vegan diet upon a child, due to their own moral beliefs. This diet, whilst not necessarily bad for adults, is likely to stunt the growing child.





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Posted by omegaslayer on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:24pm 2004

So im a moron..... is that what you wanted me to say gollum..... I dont think im a poor bastard with one brain cell, I think im a sad bastard with 1 1/2 brain cells (joke). I really wouldn't call me stupid. I mean I dont have an education like you , when I only have a UC santa Cruz education. I guess th moral is dont post your comments, there is always someone out there who will put you down.



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:27pm 2004

I agree. Like I mentioned, as children we posess the enzyme required to break the chemical bond between calcium and casein, so it's good for us in that respect.

I think the problem of irresponsible parents is for another thread. Parents encouraging thier kids to eat healthily and generally taking an interest in what they eat is a start even if some are a little misguided. [addsig]



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:30pm 2004

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So im a moron..... is that what you wanted me to say gollum..... I dont think im a poor bastard with one brain cell, I think im a sad bastard with 1 1/2 brain cells (joke). I really wouldn't call me stupid. I mean I dont have an education like you , when I only have a UC santa Cruz education. I guess th moral is dont post your comments, there is always someone out there who will put you down.


I think he what meant was that he felt some of your points were perhaps not based in reality.

Don't feel like you shouldn't post your comments bud. That's a silly way to look at things. If you only find out that something you believe is wrong then that justifies posting the wrong thing in the first place. [addsig]



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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:30pm 2004

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The problem with western culture is that we've been brought thinking that eating meat is in some way healthy. It's not. It takes up to four hours for your body to digest and can lay rotting inside you. Lovely image. Humans were never meant to eat cooked food, it's the reason only a tiny minority of us will die of natural causes.


And I suppose that when plants are going through your system it provides a better image?
What exactly are "natural causes", anyway? I should think that dying of a heart attack, cancer, stroke, etc. are all "natural", whereas gunshots and car accidents are not. [addsig]



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Posted by Gollum on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:33pm 2004

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So im a moron..... is that what you wanted me to say gollum..... I dont think im a poor bastard with one brain cell, I think im a sad bastard with 1 1/2 brain cells (joke). I really wouldn't call me stupid. I mean I dont have an education like you , when I only have a UC santa Cruz education. I guess th moral is dont post your comments, there is always someone out there who will put you down.

No, the moral for you is that it's worth thinking about what you post rather than just spouting off gibberish. The moral for me is that I shouldn't be such an unpleasant, cranky old git.

I'm sorry, it's not right for me to react like this. As I've said elsewhere, I react very badly to what I consider "extremely stupid posts". I am aware of this failing; think of it as the seasonally inclement character of a stressed academic. Note that "extremely stupid posts" are not necessarily made by extremely stupid people. They can be made by very intelligent people too (just read some philosophy!).

It would have been much better to point out the flaws in your argument without calling you a moron. My normal tact, however, has on this occasion utterly deserted me.





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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:38pm 2004

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And I suppose that when plants are going through your system it provides a better image?
What exactly are "natural causes", anyway? I should think that dying of a heart attack, cancer, stroke, etc. are all "natural", whereas gunshots and car accidents are not.


I suppose I'll have to go into more detail. Raw plants contain enzymes and practically digest themselves. Meat however means your body has to create the emzymes to break it down. This creates a strain on your diegestive system. If your body is very tired and produce the enzymes required to digest the meat it just sits in your colon rotting. By the time the average meat eater hits 50 they'll have 2-14lbs of undigested rotting meat in their colon. That was the lovely image I was on about.

I think dying naturally refers to dying in your sleep, rather than some disease. You don't die from gunshots, you die from bloodloss btw. [addsig]



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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:39pm 2004

ARTHUR: On Earth we have a word -
FORD: Had a word.
ARTHUR: Had a word called ?tact?.
FORD: Oh yeah?
ARTHUR: Yes.
FORD: And what happened to it?
ARTHUR: Well apparently it?s not in common usage?

Oh yeah, one other thing - why do people bring up the argument "no other species does (something something)"? I just don't understand the statements "humans are the only species that drinks milk past childhood / goes to war / cooks food". I mean, no other species owns property or builds skyscrapers, or posts on message boards (well, I suppose cats occasionally step on the keyboard)... what exactly does that prove?

And nobody just dies in their sleep of nothing, otherwise they'd still be around. There's always a cause. I don't see why disease wouldn't be a natural cause. [addsig]



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:45pm 2004

Horn, you're missing the fact that humans are animals and no amount of fancy clothes or fancy houses will change that.

What I'm doing here is trying to get people to examine their own lifestyle and diets in the hope that some will realise the danger they are putting themselves in.

I don't see how you can't comprehend comparng humans to other animals. We test our medicines on animals, we test all sorts of products on animals. We can learn much from animals and if you think otherwise you're plain ignorant. [addsig]



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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:47pm 2004

A_S, you'll get my candy when you pry it from my cold dead hands!






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