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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:49pm 2004



Not everyone has to have a dramatic death. I'm not 100% sure how one dies of natural causes so I'll leave it some someone else to verbalize it. Obviously your heart stops beating, but I don't know the exact reason why. [addsig]



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:50pm 2004

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A_S, you'll get my candy when you pry it from my cold dead hands!


With an attitude like that, your candy may be mine sooner than you expect you dancing fool. [addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:51pm 2004

? posted by Alien_Sniper
Humans were never meant to eat cooked food, it's the reason only a tiny minority of us will die of natural causes.

That explains why I have carnivore teeth then. Perhaps not to eat cooked meat, but note that our intestinal bacteria have 'evolved' along with us and we can no longer eat most raw meat without being sick. And being fat is to do with not doing the correct amount of physical exercise according to your diet... I don't actually eat any vegetables- bar raw carrots and potatoes- and have lived a perfectly non-fat, healthy life despite eating mostly meat.

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You ever hear of a wild animal getting cancer or heart disease?

They die of those exact things all the time, if they don't get eaten/shot/whatever first- my old pet rat died of ass cancer, which is funny in a bad kind of way

And yes, some people are lactose-intolrent, but not all...





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Posted by fishy on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:59pm 2004

i'm sure i read something in one of those posts that come up now and then. the ones with all the one-liners for sigs and such. it was along the lines of eating all the right foods and looking after yourself so you could die healthy.



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Mar 2nd at 11:59pm 2004

My emphasis was on cooked in the first point. Obviously there's no hiding the carniverous teeth. I wasn't promoting eating raw meat either I don't think I made any comments about a being fat. This healthy life of yours, is it really healthy? Perhaps compared to a lot of people, but the excuse that "joe over there is fat" doesn't really cut it.

As for the thing about animals, I'll admit I'm probably wrong one, but I'd safely suggest that our disease rates are much higher.

I also wasn't suggesting that everyone is lactose intolerant, just that milk isn't really as good for you as we are led to believe.

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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Thu Mar 4th at 7:52pm 2004

MORE LIKE SNACKPIT LOLOL [addsig]



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Thu Mar 4th at 10:56pm 2004

It'll be smackpit if you keep that up. [addsig]



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Posted by Hugh on Fri Mar 5th at 12:59am 2004

Just to keep this debate rolling, milk comes fortified with vitamin D, which breaks down the calcium for me. Also, A_S, you really shouldn't be using "you probably won't die of natural causes" as an argument. Most of us are young and hence invincible. Look at me! I haven't died yet.



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Fri Mar 5th at 1:26am 2004

Explain this vitamin d business. Does it break the chemical bond between calcium and caesin? [addsig]



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Posted by fraggard on Fri Mar 5th at 1:59am 2004

? posted by Gollum

I don't want to suggest that balanced vegetarian or even vegan diets are impossible (though I am sceptical about vegan diets for children). Indeed, some cultures may very well perfect such diets. Nor do I want to suggest that our modern Western obsession with over-consumption and convenience foods is a good thing. Quite the contrary!

I do feel, however, that enforcing a vegetarian diet on a child, in most Western societies at least where there is a high chance of the parents being "recent converts" from an omnivorous diet, is irresponsible simply because it is unlikely to provide the required nutrition. Granted there may be cases where the parents have done in-depth research and discovered a diet that will provide all the requirements of a growing child. These exceptions I do not take issue with. But the great majority will simply be enforcing their mediocre adult vegetarian/vegan diet upon a child, due to their own moral beliefs. This diet, whilst not necessarily bad for adults, is likely to stunt the growing child.

Er, just a small fact. Vegetarian diets are in no way harmful to anybody. In fact, they are completely nutritious and wholesome, and are found to be minorly lacking only in the Vitamin B12. And they are not harmful to children in anyway... If they were, 40% of my country should be dead by now.





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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Fri Mar 5th at 2:04am 2004

I think Mike was refering to people who don't eat meat and fail to get the nutritional benefits of meat through other foods rather than educated vegetarians. [addsig]



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Posted by Gollum on Fri Mar 5th at 2:07am 2004

? posted by fraggard

Er, just a small fact. Vegetarian diets are in no way harmful to anybody. In fact, they are completely nutritious and wholesome, and are found to be minorly lacking only in the Vitamin B12. And they are not harmful to children in anyway... If they were, 40% of my country should be dead by now.

Yes, but your country isn't exactly WESTERN is it?

Generally speaking, people in Western cultures don't know how to maintain a proper vegetarian diet. Yes, I know there are exceptions. My point is that it is particularly dangerous for a child to be forced to eat one of these badly-balanced vegetarian diets.

*edit* Er, what Dave said *edit*





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Posted by fraggard on Fri Mar 5th at 2:19am 2004

No, I wasn't saying you're wrong or anything, though I quoted you. I was just pointing out a common misconception among lots of people (include quite a few of my friends) that vegetarian diets are actually harmful and not nutritious at all.

Anyway, I know I'm an idiot, and none of this matters. So I'll go get a life. KTHXBYE!!11oneone





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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Mar 5th at 3:03am 2004

it is my understanding that 100% vegetarian diets are not as beneficial as once thought.

not that they are bad diets by any definition, but the concept has not been around long enuff, to know all the possible pro's and con's yet.

as stated already, vegy diets are lacking, and if the proper supplements are not used, can cause issues, but the fact remains, humans were evolved as omnivores, not only to widen our ability to eat, but to assure that no matter where we live, we will survive.

also, i have heard rumors of people misunderstanding vegy diets to the detriment of their children's growth, and if this proves out, should be considered a form of neglect, and the parents held criminally responsible. it seems at certain ages, brain functions are "food" assisted, and can cause mild forms of mental handicaps if the child has missed certain dietary suppliments..

anyways, these are just things i have heard.. as i told people all my life, i love veggies, and could be a vegetarian easily, if it weren't for meat

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Posted by Cassius on Fri Mar 5th at 4:29am 2004

"How can I trust a man who won't eat a good old fashioned American hot dog?"

- Sgt. Hank Hando, SWAT





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Posted by diablo on Fri Mar 5th at 6:20am 2004

My friend is a vegetarian and you can tell he does not have enough iron in him, especially in the cold weather. The human body has developed to our diets, one might say that our apendix was used some time ago, now days all it does is sit there and occationally get infected. =P



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Posted by fraggard on Fri Mar 5th at 8:33am 2004

? posted by Orpheus

it is my understanding that 100% vegetarian diets are not as beneficial as once thought.

Wrong. They are just as good as any other diet. It's just a question of perfecting the mix of nutrients over time.

not that they are bad diets by any definition, but the concept has not been around long enuff, to know all the possible pro's and con's yet.

Again, false. Actually, it's been around for a very long time, unless you're talking about only the westerners again.

as stated already, vegy diets are lacking, and if the proper supplements are not used, can cause issues, but the fact remains, humans were evolved as omnivores, not only to widen our ability to eat, but to assure that no matter where we live, we will survive.

That last part is is very true. Our body can adapt to any kind of diet.

Just to clear up all the dust





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Posted by Kain on Fri Mar 5th at 9:30am 2004

I dunno for kids, but for adults vegetarian diets are very healthy. All the vegetarian people I know are very slim, and sexy. They have a different skin... like a plant. Anyway, junk food everyday is definitely not healthy.





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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Mar 5th at 11:07am 2004

? posted by fraggard
? posted by Orpheus

it is my understanding that 100% vegetarian diets are not as beneficial as once thought.

Wrong. They are just as good as any other diet. It's just a question of perfecting the mix of nutrients over time.

not that they are bad diets by any definition, but the concept has not been around long enuff, to know all the possible pro's and con's yet.

Again, false. Actually, it's been around for a very long time, unless you're talking about only the westerners again.

as stated already, vegy diets are lacking, and if the proper supplements are not used, can cause issues, but the fact remains, humans were evolved as omnivores, not only to widen our ability to eat, but to assure that no matter where we live, we will survive.

That last part is is very true. Our body can adapt to any kind of diet.

Just to clear up all the dust

fragman, its not a common sight to see a bunch of Hindu's or monks, or even aztec's around jonesboro arkansas.. what other source would i have to draw from except "westerners" as you say

jeeze guys, i assume my info has holes in it, but wrong, is pretty decisive, allow oneself the benefit, that your info may have a leak at least, if not a few holes too.

i for one, have seen no completely healthy vegitarians... ever. i do assume some exist, but till i meet one, they are only rumors.

don't discount what i say, just because you do have monks, or aztec's or hindu's walking your streets

*goes back to grilling 1" T-Bone*

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Posted by fraggard on Fri Mar 5th at 12:28pm 2004

? posted by Orpheus

what other source would i have to draw from except "westerners" as you say

don't discount what i say, just because you do have monks, or aztec's or hindu's walking your streets

*sigh* This is the most pointless discussion ever, don'cha think? Our views seem pretty much fixed and inflexible on both sides.

...

Oh My God I'm becoming a cranky old man.






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