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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by 8chaos on Fri Feb 11th at 11:06pm 2011
Posted by 8chaos on Fri Feb 11th at 11:06pm 2011
i no longer have access to my files sorry guys.
sorry guys.
Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Crono on Fri Feb 11th at 11:10pm 2011
Posted by Crono on Fri Feb 11th at 11:10pm 2011
Shit.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 12th at 12:44am 2011
I couldn't have said it better.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 12th at 12:44am 2011
Quoting Crono
Shit.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Feb 12th at 1:17am 2011
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Feb 12th at 1:17am 2011
Damn that sucks, well now I'm waiting for tnkqwe's response or else this is competition only has two entries. 
Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by G4MER on Sat Feb 12th at 2:41am 2011
Posted by G4MER on Sat Feb 12th at 2:41am 2011
Yeah sucks don't it, when you have a great idea, and try to build up community spirit and it gets shit on huh. Man I know how ya feel. 
Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Feb 12th at 3:04am 2011
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Feb 12th at 3:04am 2011
Yuh, I've always been loyal to this place throughout the entire time since I've been a member and I just can't help but feel the the mapping spirit has died down a lot here which is a real shame to me. I really appreciated the honesty and humbleness of this site which I think is unlike any other Half-Life/mapping community out there.
But the competition was by no means pointless. I think it sparked a bit of activity and one of the textures I made for my entry I put onto my portfolio which is a bonus! Not to mention we got to see Finger's entry which I was really impressed with. If only he made that for Mapcore's 20 brush competition (which received 19 entries) I think that would have changed the way people voted for sure.
Anyway, when I know what's happening with tnkqwe I'll create the voting thread.
But the competition was by no means pointless. I think it sparked a bit of activity and one of the textures I made for my entry I put onto my portfolio which is a bonus! Not to mention we got to see Finger's entry which I was really impressed with. If only he made that for Mapcore's 20 brush competition (which received 19 entries) I think that would have changed the way people voted for sure.
Anyway, when I know what's happening with tnkqwe I'll create the voting thread.
Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 12th at 3:05am 2011
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 12th at 3:05am 2011
I don't think anything got shit on. BUT sometimes shit happens.
Sadly there are to many variables to consider when planning things like this.
Time frames. Many of us cannot do anything on such short notice.
To long and people lose interest.
Originality. This contest so close to Mapcores, reduced its potential.
I have an idea for the next contest already. I think I'll post it soonish.
Sadly there are to many variables to consider when planning things like this.
I have an idea for the next contest already. I think I'll post it soonish.
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Finger on Sat Feb 12th at 4:09am 2011
Posted by Finger on Sat Feb 12th at 4:09am 2011
Personally, I don't care about the competition aspect. I was just glad to make something that didn't take months to complete.
Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Crono on Sat Feb 12th at 4:19am 2011
Posted by Crono on Sat Feb 12th at 4:19am 2011
Why don't we say everyone gets a gold star and we all go play the maps finished or not after the deadline?
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Finger on Sat Feb 12th at 4:48am 2011
Posted by Finger on Sat Feb 12th at 4:48am 2011
Sounds good to me - playing them would be a nice reward.
Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Feb 12th at 6:12am 2011
You should have been here pre-HL2, thats when the spirit was really running.
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Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Feb 12th at 6:12am 2011
Quoting aaron_da_killa
Yuh, I've always been loyal to this place throughout the entire time since I've been a member and I just can't help but feel the the mapping spirit has died down a lot here which is a real shame to me.
You should have been here pre-HL2, thats when the spirit was really running.
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Feb 12th at 11:27am 2011
Posted by Le Chief on Sat Feb 12th at 11:27am 2011
Alrighty then we'll discuss them in this thread. I've uploaded my entry (bsp and vmf) and it doesn't feel right releasing this without ambient sound but I was a bit short of time.
Aaron's 20 Brush Entry
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 12th at 2:30pm 2011
You should have been here pre-HL2, thats when the spirit was really running.
Its all symptomatic of the real issue. Its not so much that spirit is low. Its more that people are into themselves much more.
For instance: The interviews. If you look at the total views, decrease it by half for the non-Snarkpit views. Decrease it by half again for the repeat views. Then decrease it by half again just to cover your asses you'd still have 25-50 people commenting and rating them. Yet, as you will notice we have less than 5 maybe on some and 2 or 3 on the rest. Even though it may mean nothing to Riven one way or the other, we owe it to our site to say and do something even if for no other reason than its something you're supposed to do just for being here.
Notice any of the new maps posted in the past..... FOREVER. Times were that most would comment. Even if it were just a casual "nice" or an indepth critique. Now, we get... Maybe 2 on some and nada on the rest.
People here seem to forget that the pages show the times viewed, so you can get a feel for just how many people are so into themselves that they cannot even be bothered to say "Fuck this shit"
My personal opinion. We need to say fuck them back and just have as much fun as we can scrape together. If we pretend that this is our first week here, we have enough active members to do that much. Eventually people will either come back, or they won't but new member will come.
Our biggest hurdle is that anyone who shows up today will see that Snarkpit has been here forever and has decreased its activity to almost nothing. THAT scares them off cause they wonder why.
Sadly, you will notice that our longest members are still online someplace, just NOT HERE. That alone will eventually bring things to a standstill.
I almost wish that when Larchy had revamped this site, that he rewrote it totally so we'd at least have the advantage of newness. All we have now is stale old times to revisit.
Anywho's.. Lets see those entries posted.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 12th at 2:30pm 2011
Quoting omegaslayer
Quoting aaron_da_killa
Yuh, I've always been loyal to this place throughout the entire time since I've been a member and I just can't help but feel the the mapping spirit has died down a lot here which is a real shame to me.
You should have been here pre-HL2, thats when the spirit was really running.
Its all symptomatic of the real issue. Its not so much that spirit is low. Its more that people are into themselves much more.
For instance: The interviews. If you look at the total views, decrease it by half for the non-Snarkpit views. Decrease it by half again for the repeat views. Then decrease it by half again just to cover your asses you'd still have 25-50 people commenting and rating them. Yet, as you will notice we have less than 5 maybe on some and 2 or 3 on the rest. Even though it may mean nothing to Riven one way or the other, we owe it to our site to say and do something even if for no other reason than its something you're supposed to do just for being here.
Notice any of the new maps posted in the past..... FOREVER. Times were that most would comment. Even if it were just a casual "nice" or an indepth critique. Now, we get... Maybe 2 on some and nada on the rest.
People here seem to forget that the pages show the times viewed, so you can get a feel for just how many people are so into themselves that they cannot even be bothered to say "Fuck this shit"
My personal opinion. We need to say fuck them back and just have as much fun as we can scrape together. If we pretend that this is our first week here, we have enough active members to do that much. Eventually people will either come back, or they won't but new member will come.
Our biggest hurdle is that anyone who shows up today will see that Snarkpit has been here forever and has decreased its activity to almost nothing. THAT scares them off cause they wonder why.
Sadly, you will notice that our longest members are still online someplace, just NOT HERE. That alone will eventually bring things to a standstill.
I almost wish that when Larchy had revamped this site, that he rewrote it totally so we'd at least have the advantage of newness. All we have now is stale old times to revisit.
Anywho's.. Lets see those entries posted.
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Feb 24th at 3:58am 2011
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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Feb 24th at 3:58am 2011
Aaron, why can I not find your map in your profile? Am I missing it somehow?
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Feb 25th at 10:12am 2011
Posted by Le Chief on Fri Feb 25th at 10:12am 2011
I didn't really think my entry was worthy of a map profile but I created it just for your Orph. Except it's squashed the screenshot and applied horrible compression to it, that's not good. 
Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Orpheus on Fri Feb 25th at 1:00pm 2011
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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Feb 25th at 1:00pm 2011
For me? Have a bit of faith in yourself. If we only posted those we each thought worthy, we'd have less than a dozen maps here. 
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Riven on Wed Mar 2nd at 7:05am 2011
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Posted by Riven on Wed Mar 2nd at 7:05am 2011
I'd like to respond to a few of the personal observations by Orph if I may....
To note, I realize this may not be the best thread to respond to these in but regardless, it's been a while since the post I'm referencing as been added, and instead of making a new thread I'd like to keep this post succinct.
A few concerns I've denoted:
I have two counter-arguments to this personal observation. One: When there are a lack of posts, how do you know it has anything to do with people being more or less bothered with or as you put it "into" themselves? Two: Why are the lack of posts considered a bad thing, or negative aspect on the site? I do not think this is an obvious assessment.
I am quite offended sometimes when I'm referred to in so many words as "not caring" as I have translated the above comment to mean, when referring to site specific issues involving member activity. Yes Orph, I realize what I have told you in outside conversations about me not minding if my interviews didn't receive comments, but to not care one way or the other would not only be an exaggeration, but a grotesque one leaning within the falsity camp.
I do indeed care about what comments I receive, and I make sure to read any and all of them, but what I said and I'll reiterate it here: I'm not going to fret if I don't get any. They are not an accurate measure to the success of the interviews, therefore, I don't relate them to that factor. They are an optional feature, just like the rating system.
Again, it appears to me that the only statistic being exemplified is the number of views on a topic and somehow, you infer that to mean: There must be too many people not feeling bothered enough to post because they must be too "into themselves" to post? I'm looking at the same number and don't read that at all.
I may be fairly young (22), but if there's one thing I've learned about people and text-based messaging (forum, phones, FB, etc...) is that the practice of sending a message to someone means you have to encode your thoughts and feelings into a language or coded message that someone else will be able to understand and decode so they may understand what you meant. The thing with texting is that it's not so great at encoding emotion, which plays a big role in human communication. Emoticons help, but they only go so far...
So when an emotion on a topic is not properly translated, the receiver is left with little to decode in regards to that emotional intent, so what ends up happening is on a very subconscious level, the mind adds emotion to an otherwise emotionless message to give it semblance to the reader, and thus an encoded text message may be read very differently by multiple people, depending heavily on what mood or preconceived outlook they may have on a matter. I think that is the case here. We are looking at facts and figures and attempting to make sense of it all, when in fact, we have no other evidence to coincide with those figures. What sense does it make to talk personal reasoning and motive behind supposed requested responses, when those reasons range much farther than your own culture and age?
I'm not afraid to admit I don't know why there weren't more comments on those interviews. I wish there were, but I'm not going to dream of reasons why people didn't post.
I just felt I needed to respond to these qualms instead of leaving it all with a stale taste in anyone's mouth. Perhaps I'm rambling again, but I hope some of that rambling made sense to you my friends?
To note, I realize this may not be the best thread to respond to these in but regardless, it's been a while since the post I'm referencing as been added, and instead of making a new thread I'd like to keep this post succinct.
A few concerns I've denoted:
Quoting Orpheus
Its all symptomatic of the real issue. Its not so much that spirit is low. Its more that people are into themselves much more.
I have two counter-arguments to this personal observation. One: When there are a lack of posts, how do you know it has anything to do with people being more or less bothered with or as you put it "into" themselves? Two: Why are the lack of posts considered a bad thing, or negative aspect on the site? I do not think this is an obvious assessment.
Quoting Orpheus
Even though it may mean nothing to Riven one way or the other, we owe it to our site to say and do something even if for no other reason than its something you're supposed to do just for being here.
I am quite offended sometimes when I'm referred to in so many words as "not caring" as I have translated the above comment to mean, when referring to site specific issues involving member activity. Yes Orph, I realize what I have told you in outside conversations about me not minding if my interviews didn't receive comments, but to not care one way or the other would not only be an exaggeration, but a grotesque one leaning within the falsity camp.
I do indeed care about what comments I receive, and I make sure to read any and all of them, but what I said and I'll reiterate it here: I'm not going to fret if I don't get any. They are not an accurate measure to the success of the interviews, therefore, I don't relate them to that factor. They are an optional feature, just like the rating system.
Quoting Orpheus
People here seem to forget that the pages show the times viewed, so you can get a feel for just how many people are so into themselves that they cannot even be bothered to say "Fuck this shit"
Again, it appears to me that the only statistic being exemplified is the number of views on a topic and somehow, you infer that to mean: There must be too many people not feeling bothered enough to post because they must be too "into themselves" to post? I'm looking at the same number and don't read that at all.
I may be fairly young (22), but if there's one thing I've learned about people and text-based messaging (forum, phones, FB, etc...) is that the practice of sending a message to someone means you have to encode your thoughts and feelings into a language or coded message that someone else will be able to understand and decode so they may understand what you meant. The thing with texting is that it's not so great at encoding emotion, which plays a big role in human communication. Emoticons help, but they only go so far...
So when an emotion on a topic is not properly translated, the receiver is left with little to decode in regards to that emotional intent, so what ends up happening is on a very subconscious level, the mind adds emotion to an otherwise emotionless message to give it semblance to the reader, and thus an encoded text message may be read very differently by multiple people, depending heavily on what mood or preconceived outlook they may have on a matter. I think that is the case here. We are looking at facts and figures and attempting to make sense of it all, when in fact, we have no other evidence to coincide with those figures. What sense does it make to talk personal reasoning and motive behind supposed requested responses, when those reasons range much farther than your own culture and age?
I'm not afraid to admit I don't know why there weren't more comments on those interviews. I wish there were, but I'm not going to dream of reasons why people didn't post.
I just felt I needed to respond to these qualms instead of leaving it all with a stale taste in anyone's mouth. Perhaps I'm rambling again, but I hope some of that rambling made sense to you my friends?
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Orpheus on Wed Mar 2nd at 12:35pm 2011
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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Mar 2nd at 12:35pm 2011
I read that post twice, and may have to read it again but it sounds an awfully lot like you want it both ways Riven. I know text isn't the best medium but it reads that way to me.
Understand, I may be reading more into it.
Anywho's I hope you got it off your chest. Sounded like you needed it.
I really don't agree very much but that's nothin new. I would like to stress since it seems to be the catalyst point of your posting... Not caring one way or the other does not translate to not caring at all. I honestly don't know where or how you obtained that from my inference but I felt it prudent to point that out. Being fair minded and unbiased does not equate to not caring.
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[edit]Again let me stress. I post things how I see them. I accept that it may be an unpopular viewpoint but I am not going to waste my time trying to figure out what is not going to bother someone today. They will get over it just like they expect me too.
I do expect someone to post their views.. As long as they are posted in the same vein and not pointing specifically or personally. Some aren't capable of doing that and should avoid posting at those times.
Understand, I may be reading more into it.
Anywho's I hope you got it off your chest. Sounded like you needed it.
I really don't agree very much but that's nothin new. I would like to stress since it seems to be the catalyst point of your posting... Not caring one way or the other does not translate to not caring at all. I honestly don't know where or how you obtained that from my inference but I felt it prudent to point that out. Being fair minded and unbiased does not equate to not caring.
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[edit]Again let me stress. I post things how I see them. I accept that it may be an unpopular viewpoint but I am not going to waste my time trying to figure out what is not going to bother someone today. They will get over it just like they expect me too.
I do expect someone to post their views.. As long as they are posted in the same vein and not pointing specifically or personally. Some aren't capable of doing that and should avoid posting at those times.
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Riven on Fri Mar 4th at 5:38am 2011
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Posted by Riven on Fri Mar 4th at 5:38am 2011
Well, it's not so much what's actually posted that I'm concerned with, but more or less the assumptions about what's not posted.
I'm simply pointing out the supposed concerns over what's not posted, when I don't think there should be any concerns in the first place.
In other words, I'm not fretting over the supposed lack of posts, I don't think it's a lack of posts so much as there are simply less posts, end of fact. There are a myriad of reasons people stop posting, and most of them don't deal with "people [being] into themselves." -Which I'm taking to mean like a selfish indulgence of their own interests. Simply put: I think that's a broad negative stroke to paint about the kind of people we've had here in the past that probably isn't wholistically true.
Summed up even further: I think you're being too negative about the level of activity on the site. -That's all. My initial post was commenting on some of the ways people may misinterpret text messages and/or lack there-of. What I'm not talking about is how people offend one another; that's a different issue.
I'm simply pointing out the supposed concerns over what's not posted, when I don't think there should be any concerns in the first place.
In other words, I'm not fretting over the supposed lack of posts, I don't think it's a lack of posts so much as there are simply less posts, end of fact. There are a myriad of reasons people stop posting, and most of them don't deal with "people [being] into themselves." -Which I'm taking to mean like a selfish indulgence of their own interests. Simply put: I think that's a broad negative stroke to paint about the kind of people we've had here in the past that probably isn't wholistically true.
Summed up even further: I think you're being too negative about the level of activity on the site. -That's all. My initial post was commenting on some of the ways people may misinterpret text messages and/or lack there-of. What I'm not talking about is how people offend one another; that's a different issue.
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Re: Snarkpit 20 Brush Map Competition
Posted by Orpheus on Fri Mar 4th at 6:24am 2011
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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Mar 4th at 6:24am 2011
...and one best not hashed out in this thread. If its worth debating we can begin afresh sometime. I stand by my views though. I deal with people into themselves daily with my job and doubt very much that it doesn't happen online as well.
As a matter of fact, I am stuck in Houston tonight because a gate guard cannot be bothered to check why my load isn't ready.. He actually told me to go away and return in the morning. Mind you, this is a 24 hour facility.
As a matter of fact, I am stuck in Houston tonight because a gate guard cannot be bothered to check why my load isn't ready.. He actually told me to go away and return in the morning. Mind you, this is a 24 hour facility.
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