how about right here at snarkpit for starters.. read this thread, post by post, the tension level increased preceptively with each one concerning the gaming industry being accused for the way children are turning out, but when someone switched it over to guns doing exactly the same thing, almost everyone swapped hats and joined the very group that they despised PRIOR to anyone mentioning guns..

it cannot be denied, guns are capable of killing, because honestly, they have very few other uses, i wont deny that point, but to blame them?? thats so stupid it goes beyond words.. [edited 'cause CCS cant seem to locate things otherwise ]

there are to many cases where psycho's have went on rampages and their weapon of choice was their dicks, or another chose a knife, yet another chose water.. in any of those cases could someone make an argument that if they had the ability to remove the object of their obsession from their lives it would have removed the threat??

now at least for my part, i am attempting to remain open minded, i can at least see guns as the object of choice to kill with, but not because the gun enticed them, but that these people are cowards at heart, i don't care if they are 100 pound pansies, or 300 pound gorillas, the fact remains that on some level they are cowardly and use a method to kill that distances themselves from harm.

lastly my dear Gav hit on an interesting theory.. gun violations as a killing source prolly goes up dramatically in regions of the US where population densities are extraordinarily high.. arkansas most likely has 95% of all households with a gun of some sort, but prolly only .001% of all the statistically reportable gun homicides, but new york city might have 50% of all households with a fire arm and 50% of all reportable homicides.. i don't know where, or how these stats are generated you all keep posting, but they are NOT reflective of the US as a whole.. not when about 95% of all those numbers are generated in regions that make up less than 1% of the surface area of the USA.. big cities by their very nature create big problems, among them gun issues...

anyways, till someone level headed can talk without throwing stat charts around as if the actually meant something comes along, this topic about guns is effectively another dead horse, if your only proof that you base your whole outlook comes from a statistical chart, you are a very poor example of a good thinking and responcible forum poster..

/end topic

I would like to hear a few good reasons as to why sodomy is good, besides simply that I am a close minded straight-person.

see how stupid your question can be??

you cannot expect answers to a question that has so many answers, you have to at least have a working basis for comparison, since i feel so strongly negative towards gays, and you obviously feel just as strongly about guns, how could we possibly communicate in a way to make it comprehensable..

your question is invalid till you pick a neutral atmosphere..

sorry CCS, i am not arguing, just pointing out my belief..

[edit] it also might have helped if you had read my last post, it was quite comprehensive, and open minded, it not only explained my reasoning, but the opposing side as well.. i did at least address the issue from both sides..

shame on you [/edit]

I wasn't asking rhetorically, I really wanted to hear some answers. It's just your posts seem to do little but just make the other side of the argument just feel stupid, and that's not really the way to go about discussing these sort of things I feel.

Just pulling in another issue as a defense is a big big cop out. I will not respond to it, and I suggest others do the same.

[edit in response to your edit] Your post above mine only listed stats that you believe shows guns are not responsible for violence. It does nothing to point out how the objects have a place in society. [/edit]

if you seen a news clip on cnn, showing afgan or iraqi schools that had been supplied with ps2's, and custom games of 'suicide bomber', or such like.

the state spokesperson says 'this is only a harmless game, for all for the kiddies to play and enjoy, without them actually doing it for real. we tell them that doing it for real would be a very bad thing'

how many people here would say,'yes, harmless fun, wont influence the kiddies at all.'

For the record, I have never stated at all that I was anti-gun. "Your argument is just as good as mine" I take to be complete bullshit because I know I haven't made a comment either way on the issue (besides a throw-away yugo gag). I've only asked you to start putting down some reasons. You finally did in that last post: hunting game.

Surprise, surprise, I'm not anti-gun. I'm against private ownership of automatic weaponry, but reasons for private ownership of guns:

• Some people like to hunt game
• Some people enjoy recreational shooting such as at a firing range or skeet shooting
• Some people live in an area where they need firearms to protect their property and their own well-being
• Some people own livestock and need the firearms to kill/scare off predators

Already I have made more points than you have in the past three pages of posts. And that really was my point.

/me employs diversionary tactic....puts on catchers mask and pads, and goes to the plate.......

personaly, (and this is all im gonna say about it either way) im thinking that guns in the original sense where made for, killing....enemies, prey, whatever....the us, (and many other so called "civilized" countries of the world)were founded by its employ. its a mind set. grown of years of use, mostly out of need. the inovation of man.....if that gives you a level of importance to work with....

to change it would take an, well, act of congress...literally. and since its not happened yet, well, you see my point.

run the whole world thru a "mind-altering, local lobotomising s**theadedness shrinkng" ray and we might stand a chance.....

the point is....see wtf is in front of you, think as a rational human in ALL instances, and logic and rational will be obvious.....guns kill, maime and destroy.....if you want them to.....they are as dangerous as the moron whos using it is.....Peace.

Dr Brasso...

i bet not ONE of those 60 year old guys ever ONCE played a video game

i bet none of them ever shot seven people in the head either.

guns are a tool, just like any other tool, if you view it differently, you are in denile..

the method of using the tool may be debatable, but the fact that it a tool, is inarguable..

what everyone seems confused about is, why people use them as they do, the fact that they exist in the first place is a stupid line of thinking.. they exist, move on..