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Posted by tnkqwe on Thu Sep 15th at 7:43am 2011

I have been away for a few months, visiting rarely... But now I'm back.

I have a pirated copy of the first three Fallout games: Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics. Because it's legal in Bulgaria.

I tried to install the first one on my PC running with 64 bit Win 7. But the OS can't install the game, because it's a 16 bit program. Then I tried to install it on an old laptop with 32 bit Win XP. The result was... a Blue Screen of Death. smiley Then I tried making a virtual machine running with Win 98. I guess I'm using a 16 bit version, because it has no sound, 16 colors and small resolution. Installing and running the game was a successes! But the gameplay is on a small window and with no sound.

Fallout 2 runs properly on the laptop, and Tactics runs properly on both machines (PC and laptop).

Does anyone have any suggestions what do I have to do in order to play Fallout 1 properly?

Thanks!


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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Sep 15th at 1:05pm 2011

You aren't missing anything in FA1.
You do know that pirated versions in themselves are unreliable.
That said, I have a box of old games that no longer play so you might have to face the fact that you may never be able to play it.

There used to be a way for win XP to simulate dos and other earlier versions of windows.
I am pretty sure that my old FA1 played on win95/Dos.

Sorry, I know that's no help but its simply been to long. The only bright point is FA1 is not that special. Was at the time though. It looked a lot like Diablo 1



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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Sep 15th at 2:11pm 2011

In windows 7..
Control panel > find and fix problems > Run programs made for previous versions of windows.

Hope that helps.



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Posted by omegaslayer on Fri Sep 16th at 3:20am 2011

Those old games were never designed to run on the resolution of screens we have these days. You'd be better off to try to find a version that someone ported to run on modern systems. Much like how someone added opengl support for the original Doom.



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Posted by Niborius on Fri Sep 16th at 1:52pm 2011

Wait, is it a dos game?

Then have you tried Dosbox yet? It runs almost any DOS game on newer Operating Systems. You can probably install it using Dosbox as well.

I'll spare the details until I know if you have tried that yet, but if not then I'll post some more details.


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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Sep 16th at 2:08pm 2011

System requirements

All
10+ MB free space, mouse[2]
DOS
Pentium 90 MHz, 32 MB RAM, 2x CD-ROM, SVGA, SoundBlaster-compatible sound card.
Win
Pentium 90 MHz, 16 MB RAM, DirectX 3.0a or 5.0, 2x CD-ROM, SVGA, DirectSound-compatible sound card.
Mac
PowerMac, 16 MB RAM, CD-ROM, System 7.1.2.





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Posted by Crono on Fri Sep 16th at 7:37pm 2011

Anything that natively ran on Win9X or earlier, you might want to think about emulating at this point in time. Doesn't Windows 7 have a built in virtualization feature?


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Posted by tnkqwe on Fri Sep 16th at 9:02pm 2011

I think I fond out what's the problem with the resolution and sound.
As I can recall, Win 98 comes without some important drivers. So now I have to search for them. I need sound and video drivers for now. But I don't know which ones to search for, and where to search for.
Any ideas? Because so far I haven't found anything useful...

Quoting "Niborius"
Wait, is it a dos game?

Then have you tried Dosbox yet? It runs almost any DOS game on newer Operating Systems. You can probably install it using Dosbox as well.

I'll spare the details until I know if you have tried that yet, but if not then I'll post some more details.

I tried to figure out how to use the program. I failed. Maybe I'm not intelligent enough. And I don't think Fallout is a DOS game. Win95 is older. Fallout has been released in September 30, 1997.

Also, does Win98 really has such laggy drawing system? Or is it the lack of drivers. smiley


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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Sep 16th at 9:09pm 2011

Quoting tnkqwe
And I don't think Fallout is a DOS game. Win95 is older.


Hold on while I wipe the tears of laughter.
Quoting tnkqwe

I failed. Maybe I'm not intelligent enough.

I put this here to help you with the first quote.
Quoting tnkqwe

Also, does Win98 really has such laggy drawing system? Or is it the lack of drivers.


That's odd since until very recently win98 was the gamers choice of opsys for playing games.





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Posted by Crono on Fri Sep 16th at 10:00pm 2011

Quoting tnkqwe
I don't think Fallout is a DOS game. Win95 is older. Fallout has been released in September 30, 1997.


Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Dude... MSDOS' first release from Microsoft (after they bought it) came out in 1981. Windows was built as a front end for DOS and it stayed that way through the 9x variations. It wasn't until they built the NT kernel that they rebuilt anything since ... ever. (They didn't write DOS originally they bought it)

Case and point: DOS IS OLDER THAN WINDOWS 95 by at least 13 years.


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Posted by tnkqwe on Sat Sep 17th at 4:18am 2011

OK... The fact that Fallout is younger than Win95 doesn't mean that the game is not running on DOS.

But what about the drivers (video and sound drivers)? I really want to play that game. I love Fallout New Vegas (and Fallout 3 can't run on my system for some reason), and I really want to play through the hole storry.


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Posted by Crono on Sat Sep 17th at 6:32am 2011

Fallout 1 is a game that runs on Dos AND Windows, there's dual binaries. The game came out in 1997, this is the same year Windows 98 came out. So, I don't know what this nonsense of Windows and DOS age is about.

A lot of old Windows games need compatibility fixes to run on newer versions of Windows, and those compatibility modes don't do the job.

You can choose to run it in DOS mode through a DOS emulator, like DosBox. Or you can hunt down some compatibility instructions like these: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1591477 to try to get it running properly natively.

Drivers really have no baring.


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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Sep 17th at 11:54am 2011

Quoting Crono


Drivers really have no baring.


Yeah seriously. Adam is right about this much. Drivers afaik are always backward compatable. So if you have the newest video and audio drivers your troubles are elsewhere.

Like I said. I have a box full of games (that I bought people) that no longer play. You really need to look into an emulator. I just never cared because I played them all to death.



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Posted by Niborius on Sat Sep 17th at 7:26pm 2011

Quoting tnkqwe


Quoting "Niborius"
Wait, is it a dos game?

Then have you tried Dosbox yet? It runs almost any DOS game on newer Operating Systems. You can probably install it using Dosbox as well.

I'll spare the details until I know if you have tried that yet, but if not then I'll post some more details.

I tried to figure out how to use the program. I failed.


It's not that hard, you just have to have done it once and then you can do it for all of your games without any difficulties.

It's just about mounting drives like C: and going to the right directory and just type the name of the .exe there. Quick example:

If a game is installed in c:gamesfallout

you should type in Dosbox:

mount c c:gamesfallout [spaces are not allowed by the way]
Press enter, type 'C:', press enter, and then type the name of the .exe file (and press enter again)

I believe installing works kinda the same, though you might need to use the imgmount command. Try to google it, I am not really able to explain it very well, and my English today isn't that good either as you may have noticed smiley


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Posted by Crono on Sat Sep 17th at 8:04pm 2011

Quoting Orpheus
Drivers afaik are always backward compatable. So if you have the newest video and audio drivers your troubles are elsewhere.


That's not how they work. Drivers have NO baring on this.


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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Sep 17th at 8:29pm 2011

Anyway...
You said the EXACT same thing I did so quoting it again served no purpose other than to look like an ass.
One of these days, I'm gonna collect on all the back of the head slaps I owe you. smiley



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Posted by Crono on Sat Sep 17th at 10:34pm 2011

You're saying that because drivers are always backwards compatible there is not a compatibility issue there, but somewhere else. Your statement implies that drivers have a baring on how well an old game will work. They don't. It has to do with APIs, not hardware drivers.

I was saying that drivers don't even enter the conversation at all.

Those are not the same statements, literally, metaphorically, or through inference.


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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Sep 18th at 12:01am 2011

Nope. Not what I said, or intimated.
You misunderstood.
I gotta hand it to you. When you read things wrong, you're tough about admitting it.
All I said was, there was no way that drivers was the problem.
/subject while your behind. :P

Let me say it once more SO YOU CANNOT MISUNDERSTAND.
/SUBJECT



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Posted by tnkqwe on Sun Sep 18th at 9:06am 2011

Guys, I asked a question and NO one is answering me with answers like:
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Sorry we can't help you because <put reason here>.

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Yes I know how it's done! You have to do this, this and this.

smiley

I'm only receiving replies like:
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Stop trying! Do <an alternate way> instead.

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I think <opinion>, <opinion> and <opinion> about what are trying to do.

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No, I don't think that your opinion is right, <username>.

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No, I am right. You are misunderstanding me.

smiley

I know that there are emulators. But I want to use a virtual machine. Not an emulator. If I want to try to use an emulator, I'll post a reply or a new thread.
If you are going to discus something that is not answering my question, then make a new thread.

Huh... Maybe I shouldn't have written that I'm trying to run a game.

So, can you tell me what drivers to use on the virtual machine that uses Win98, or not?
I think that the VGA and the sound card are integrated according to the virtual machine.
Win98 is so old that even Google can't find anything...

Oh, by the way, let me remind this:
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I tried to install the first one on my PC running with 64 bit Win 7. But the OS can't install the game, because it's a 16 bit program. Then I tried to install it on an old laptop with 32 bit Win XP. The result was... a Blue Screen of Death. smiley



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Sep 18th at 1:57pm 2011

OK, these are the facts.

1) Fallout 1 played just fine when it was released. If your copy is a good copy it will play as well.

2) Fallout 1 was designed to play on windows 95/98 and DOS.

3) IF you have a machine that has one of those three operating systems on it, it will play.

4) Windows no longer updates win 95/98 but I heard once that the newest updates are still archived. They were current when they stopped updating.

Lastly, I am pretty sure all your questions were answered. Adam is damned good at certain things.

You still not have ascertained if your copy is a viable copy. But these steps will get a good copy going.



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