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Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Oct 13th at 11:09am 2011
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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Oct 13th at 11:09am 2011
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Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by Crono on Thu Oct 13th at 7:53pm 2011
Posted by Crono on Thu Oct 13th at 7:53pm 2011
It is pretty cool.
The Bulldozer chips are actually out now. And still cheaper than i7s. NewEgg has one of the FX chips listed at $220, it's an 8 core CPU.
Sadly, they're still very new. So, there's not a lot out there that utilizes all the cores and features and what-not. But that'll change.
It's not that you NEED to overclock these CPUs to that degree ... it's that it can do it, and that's neat. It shows the quality of engineering put into the thing. That it can stably handle those speeds.
No one is going to practically try to overclock their CPU to these speeds for any sort of normal use.
The Bulldozer chips are actually out now. And still cheaper than i7s. NewEgg has one of the FX chips listed at $220, it's an 8 core CPU.
Sadly, they're still very new. So, there's not a lot out there that utilizes all the cores and features and what-not. But that'll change.
It's not that you NEED to overclock these CPUs to that degree ... it's that it can do it, and that's neat. It shows the quality of engineering put into the thing. That it can stably handle those speeds.
No one is going to practically try to overclock their CPU to these speeds for any sort of normal use.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by tornados2111 on Thu Oct 13th at 8:29pm 2011
so..... for showing off(the design)?
Posted by tornados2111 on Thu Oct 13th at 8:29pm 2011
Quoting Crono
It is pretty cool.
The Bulldozer chips are actually out now. And still cheaper than i7s. NewEgg has one of the FX chips listed at $220, it's an 8 core CPU.
Sadly, they're still very new. So, there's not a lot out there that utilizes all the cores and features and what-not. But that'll change.
It's not that you NEED to overclock these CPUs to that degree ... it's that it can do it, and that's neat. It shows the quality of engineering put into the thing. That it can stably handle those speeds.
No one is going to practically try to overclock their CPU to these speeds for any sort of normal use.
The Bulldozer chips are actually out now. And still cheaper than i7s. NewEgg has one of the FX chips listed at $220, it's an 8 core CPU.
Sadly, they're still very new. So, there's not a lot out there that utilizes all the cores and features and what-not. But that'll change.
It's not that you NEED to overclock these CPUs to that degree ... it's that it can do it, and that's neat. It shows the quality of engineering put into the thing. That it can stably handle those speeds.
No one is going to practically try to overclock their CPU to these speeds for any sort of normal use.
so..... for showing off(the design)?
Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Oct 13th at 10:28pm 2011
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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Oct 13th at 10:28pm 2011
Yeah, I saw the flyer for the 8 core processor yesterday. Its what made me notice this video.
And, yes, it was for bragging rights methinks. The way they kept pouring the coolant in I could just imagine it burning/evaporating it off at speed.
And, yes, it was for bragging rights methinks. The way they kept pouring the coolant in I could just imagine it burning/evaporating it off at speed.
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Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by Crono on Thu Oct 13th at 10:48pm 2011
Pretty much.
No one is going to continuously pour in liquid nitrogen to keep the CPU running. Make no mistake, that stuff was evaporating as fast as they were pouring it in.
The fact that is CAN go 8.94 (or whatever it was) GHz without giving mangled results is sort of the point. In a generation or two, those kinds of clock speeds would be possible at a consumer level with air cooling.
Posted by Crono on Thu Oct 13th at 10:48pm 2011
Quoting tornados2111
so..... for showing off(the design)?
Pretty much.
No one is going to continuously pour in liquid nitrogen to keep the CPU running. Make no mistake, that stuff was evaporating as fast as they were pouring it in.
The fact that is CAN go 8.94 (or whatever it was) GHz without giving mangled results is sort of the point. In a generation or two, those kinds of clock speeds would be possible at a consumer level with air cooling.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Oct 13th at 11:08pm 2011
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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Oct 13th at 11:08pm 2011
My first PC was a 486sx running at 35 mhz I think or there abouts in 1998. Its 2011 and PC's are running a bazillion times faster. 13 years... I wonder where we'll be at in another 13?
I also remember reading an article on video cards in PC gamer I think it was back in 98 or 99. They were talking about video NEVER needing to go higher than 4 megs of ram.
*snickers*
Boy did they screw the pooch on that day.
I also remember reading an article on video cards in PC gamer I think it was back in 98 or 99. They were talking about video NEVER needing to go higher than 4 megs of ram.
*snickers*
Boy did they screw the pooch on that day.
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Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by Crono on Fri Oct 14th at 2:04am 2011
Posted by Crono on Fri Oct 14th at 2:04am 2011
Well they are magazine editors and not necessarily technical professionals 
Rule of thumb is speed is exponential in growth. But there is a ceiling. Then again, we probably won't reach it for awhile. I imagine CPUs will start modeling GPU behavior in some ways in a while (outside of outright having GPU cores inside them).
Rule of thumb is speed is exponential in growth. But there is a ceiling. Then again, we probably won't reach it for awhile. I imagine CPUs will start modeling GPU behavior in some ways in a while (outside of outright having GPU cores inside them).
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by tornados2111 on Fri Oct 14th at 6:46am 2011
What do you mean by CPU modeling GPU behavior?
Posted by tornados2111 on Fri Oct 14th at 6:46am 2011
Quoting Crono
Well they are magazine editors and not necessarily technical professionals
Rule of thumb is speed is exponential in growth. But there is a ceiling. Then again, we probably won't reach it for awhile. I imagine CPUs will start modeling GPU behavior in some ways in a while (outside of outright having GPU cores inside them).
Rule of thumb is speed is exponential in growth. But there is a ceiling. Then again, we probably won't reach it for awhile. I imagine CPUs will start modeling GPU behavior in some ways in a while (outside of outright having GPU cores inside them).
What do you mean by CPU modeling GPU behavior?
Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by sgtfly on Fri Oct 14th at 11:43am 2011
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Posted by sgtfly on Fri Oct 14th at 11:43am 2011
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Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by Crono on Fri Oct 14th at 6:07pm 2011
Posted by Crono on Fri Oct 14th at 6:07pm 2011
First of all, I said what I meant
GPU has a radically different design than CPUs. They're also made in a closed system (the GPU chipset) they have to process significantly more data, and they do it much faster. For a long time they achieved this by specializing the operations in the GPU. But now things are becoming more generic. It's getting to the point where you could make an entirely generic GPU-styled chip ... which would work as a CPU. I'm not going to explain instruction/design differences. If you want to learn more about that, hit up wikipedia.
Graphene, yeah, it's molecularity smaller than silicone, right? I imagine because it's man made they can better control impurities too, at least prior to etching the chip into the material.
GPU has a radically different design than CPUs. They're also made in a closed system (the GPU chipset) they have to process significantly more data, and they do it much faster. For a long time they achieved this by specializing the operations in the GPU. But now things are becoming more generic. It's getting to the point where you could make an entirely generic GPU-styled chip ... which would work as a CPU. I'm not going to explain instruction/design differences. If you want to learn more about that, hit up wikipedia.
Graphene, yeah, it's molecularity smaller than silicone, right? I imagine because it's man made they can better control impurities too, at least prior to etching the chip into the material.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Oct 15th at 1:02am 2011
What do you mean by CPU modeling GPU behavior?
Generally speaking graphics cards can process floating point numbers (decimal numbers like 1.67) more efficiently than CPUS did (overall integer numbers are always fast aka: 7, 78, 9, -7). Likewise theres certain graphics operations that can be efficiently done in GPUs rather than CPUs (aka: vector operations, matrix translations - the heart of graphics rendering).
CPUs are starting to close that gap. Intel believes that eventually you won't even need a discrete graphics card any longer.
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Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Oct 15th at 1:02am 2011
Quoting tornados2111
What do you mean by CPU modeling GPU behavior?
Generally speaking graphics cards can process floating point numbers (decimal numbers like 1.67) more efficiently than CPUS did (overall integer numbers are always fast aka: 7, 78, 9, -7). Likewise theres certain graphics operations that can be efficiently done in GPUs rather than CPUs (aka: vector operations, matrix translations - the heart of graphics rendering).
CPUs are starting to close that gap. Intel believes that eventually you won't even need a discrete graphics card any longer.
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Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by Crono on Sat Oct 15th at 1:31am 2011
Posted by Crono on Sat Oct 15th at 1:31am 2011
You still will. You can't really substitute the amount of work you can offload onto another processor.
What will probably happen is CPUs will become more sophisticated chipsets with multiple types of processors on them. That's really the only way I could see the need going away. (But at the same time, you'd also increase costs for PCs, while driving the costs of embedded devices down)
In any case, the GPUs prior to GF8 or so were vector processors. Which is different than "doing vector calculations really good". They actually operated on three or four values each cycle.
Now, GPUs are made up of hundreds of individual cores that all work in parallel but on specific classes of operations.
What will probably happen is CPUs will become more sophisticated chipsets with multiple types of processors on them. That's really the only way I could see the need going away. (But at the same time, you'd also increase costs for PCs, while driving the costs of embedded devices down)
In any case, the GPUs prior to GF8 or so were vector processors. Which is different than "doing vector calculations really good". They actually operated on three or four values each cycle.
Now, GPUs are made up of hundreds of individual cores that all work in parallel but on specific classes of operations.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Oct 15th at 7:19am 2011
I don't believe we'll ever stop needing a discrete graphics card. I just know thats what Intel is pushing for.
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Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Oct 15th at 7:19am 2011
Quoting "Crono"
You still will. You can't really substitute the amount of work you can offload onto another processor.
I don't believe we'll ever stop needing a discrete graphics card. I just know thats what Intel is pushing for.
Quoting "Crono"
In any case, the GPUs prior to GF8 or so were vector processors. Which is different than "doing vector calculations really good". They actually operated on three or four values each cycle
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Re: New processor takes world record.
Posted by Crono on Sat Oct 15th at 7:41am 2011
I'm aware. How else are they going to keep pushing forward against AMD in that realm if they don't?
Posted by Crono on Sat Oct 15th at 7:41am 2011
Quoting omegaslayer
I don't believe we'll ever stop needing a discrete graphics card. I just know thats what Intel is pushing for.
I'm aware. How else are they going to keep pushing forward against AMD in that realm if they don't?
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
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