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Posted by Leperous on Fri Mar 12th at 7:18pm 2004

Aaah graphics problems, and I haven't done anything! In the last couple of days my screen has sometimes come up with little corrupted 'patches', with the screen sometimes going black for about half a second. Seems directX games also don't work properly- here's an example of what happens when I open UT:

And Half-Life just causes my PC to lock up. When I run dxdiag and try a Direct3D test, the problem turns up on the 2nd test (testing DirectX 8 thingies). So I tried reinstalling DirectX (9b), and the dxdiag 'files' tab doesn't tell me anything is wrong, and I have even restored my system to about a week ago before the problem turned up, but am still getting the same problem. Running WinXP on a P4 1.5ghz machine, 512mb rambus, GeForce4 Ti 4200- everything patched up, virus check performed, and no problems I can see. Problem still happens after changing refresh rates, colour depth, windows graphics settings, etc...

So, er, anyone had a similar problem? The card isn't that old- probably a year?- but is it likely to be it being on it's last legs, and in need of an upgrade? (I'm still at uni so can't try a different card or anything) Or any suggestions..?





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Posted by Wild Card on Fri Mar 12th at 8:45pm 2004

I had problems with my vid card a few months ago (as you all remember) lol. Wow did I freak.

Try running DirectDraw. When I had my problem it wasent the video card. I was installing the drivers on the CD but my new mobo didnt like 'em so I brought my comp downstairs hooked it up to the internet and updated the drivers from NVIDIA.

IMO, direct X has nothing to do with it. Try installing the latest drivers.

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Posted by Crono on Fri Mar 12th at 8:51pm 2004

mmm, looks like someones video card is getting too hot

Usually when your fan on your video card isn't working very well, or not at all, you get those artifacts all over. If you let it persist you could possibly destroy all 3d acceleration on your card. I doubt it's drivers, because obviously this stuff worked before a couple days ago, yeah?

I'd suggest, even if this isn't the main problem it will help, taking out your video card and cleaning it, also open your case and turn your computer on to check to see if the videocard fan is running properly. When you clean it, use cuetips and such, no need for alcohol or anything, because you just want to remove dust. While you've got the card out just look around the board for anything that looks burnt. If none of that works, and the fan is running properly, uninstall the drivers for you video card and then reinstall everything after a reboot. But I think this is a heating issue.


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I didn't notice your card specs before, sorry. I have the same card, it has a nice little design flaw: dust can block air from the fan so it doesn't travel through the heat-sink.
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Posted by Myrk- on Fri Mar 12th at 9:56pm 2004

Its a combo of your lame ass GF4 and DX problems... My flatmate had the same problem, you just need the latest Drivers for your GFX card or downgrade to a version that worked properly... [addsig]



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Posted by Monqui on Fri Mar 12th at 10:09pm 2004

Haven't read through the posts, but my friend just ran into this same type of problem- turns out his card was overheating (the bearings on the fan were completely shot somehow). He ended up just rigging up a small CPU fan onto it... Fixed it right up.

So, make sure tha fan isn't going bad, or that there is sufficient airflow going around by it. If you can, try opening up the closest PCI slot (if it's in use. Just move the card to another slot.) and just leave off the metal protector. It's gimpy, but it'll at least let some fresh air in/out near it. [addsig]



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Posted by Wild Card on Fri Mar 12th at 10:34pm 2004

yea you can jerry-rig (spelling?lol) a small case fan too. I did this to my friends vid card. It didnt come with a fan but he wanted one. A small case fan works best as they plug into the 5V plugs to the PSU. The CPU fans need to have a plug on the vid card, or if the wires are long enough, you can plud them onto your mobo's fan2 slot. [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Fri Mar 12th at 11:11pm 2004

I think Crono is correct, that is what happens when a card gets too hot, I know from personal experence. When I overclocked my 9800 pro it ran fine, then just like your screen that, only not as worse, so I stopped it and everything smothed out.

And like crono said it could be that the air is blocked due to dust. If you want a better cooling system then go to new egg and find a VGA cooler: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=62&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=3189
There easy to install and you only need to fork over like 20-30 bucks for one.

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Posted by Leperous on Sat Mar 13th at 2:09am 2004

Ok, it's probably actually a dust build up, I'll have a look- thanks a lot guys



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 1:11pm 2004

NOTICE the similarities??

/me wonders if all webmasters suffer this dilemma

if you do find a cure lep, can you let me know so i can inform unseth??

look at his screenshot at bottom.

thanx bud..

[addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 13th at 8:46pm 2004

No they don't

I clean my card regularly. And yes this is caused by overheating. DirectX doesn't draw the characters when you boot. Which if you let it go long enough will be effected.

But he got the message.....is it working better now, Lep? [addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Sat Mar 13th at 9:04pm 2004

Yep, I'm having the exact same problem, and it's the card overheating. It seems to be the fan dying on me- in that when it bothers spinning it's very loud and seemingly ineffective at blowing air around- rather than a dust problem. If I hang a 'spare' fan inside the machine with the side open everything works perfectly fine, but if I take it away then a few minutes later the card overheats and this happens... I'll see if I can buy a new fan for my GeForce 4, no point in upgrading until the summer/xmas :/

*edit: reading up on this problem, there seems to be a plethora of people with fan problems.. lol maybe it's time to go ATi...





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Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 13th at 9:17pm 2004

Or a different GeForce manufactuer.

Such as on my card, I can't replace my fan. It's part of the card, but it's very reliable.

I've got an MSI, I've never had problems with them. But I have found that some of the less-known manufacturers of GeForce cards fans tend to die out.

I had a GeForce2 MX made by Daytona or some company like that, the fan totally s**tted out on it's self. Now I have the fun of trying to find a chipset fan that will fit the card.

The good thing about getting a new fan for your card is that if it is powerful, as in uses a directplug from the power supply, you can majorly overclock the card. Because in all actuality that's the only thing stopping the card from being overclocked normally, the fan can't cool it down fast enough

Take that into consideration when looking at fans. [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Mar 13th at 9:18pm 2004

? posted by Leperous

*edit: reading up on this problem, there seems to be a plethora of people with fan problems.. lol maybe it's time to go ATi...

Its just my preference to get an ATI, but dont bother, you can get a better cooling system then what your card has already, just fork over like 20-30 bucks +shipping for a new fan system, you can get them here:http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=62&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=3189

*edit: sorry I just realized ur from the UK, you may get a larger s+h cost than I thought, even with a problem of shipping out of the US

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Posted by Leperous on Sat Mar 13th at 9:22pm 2004

? posted by Crono
I've got an MSI, I've never had problems with them. But I have found that some of the less-known manufacturers of GeForce cards fans tend to die out.

This is an ASUS card (*hides it being one of those 8xAGP cards in case Scary Jeff comes by* ) Obviously they don't seem to be able to make a website which lists their card specs so I don't know what fans I can buy that will fit it... bah





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Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 13th at 9:29pm 2004

Oh, the semi-respecable-but-turns-out-to-be-not-so-great-in-the-long-run-brand.

When I built a friends computer I got him a GeForce3 (a few years ago before I knew what I know now) and the card was ..... okay. However, I had also gotten him an ASUS board. The first time the thing was shot. The second we got.....was shot. So we got a different model, he's been able to use it to this day. However, last year he had me build him a new computer, which has mostly MSI stuff in it, it runs like a dream. His card is still the ASUS GeForce3, but it's not as great as it should be (Taking that he insisted on it even though at the time it was $400 US).

Also, 8x doesn't really do anything, and I can see why Jeff would come along to teach you right. But my card is 8X as well, don't really have a choice though.

I've just found that ASUS is not a very reliable brand. Their products fail too often.

Oh, check out MSI's site...its so nicely laid out. Sadly, however, when you get an MSI board the default clock rate for a processor is 1ghz, so you have manually set that, but luckily it's well laid out on their site....anyway this is probably starting to sound like fanboyism.

Good luck with the cooling. [addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Sat Mar 13th at 9:32pm 2004

Well, I'm a Creative fan myself.

... what?





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Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 13th at 9:36pm 2004

Oh God. lol.

Overly priced sound cards, yay.

However, I would purchase one of those overly priced soundcards if I had money to make a mediacenter computer. It would have a remote and such. But, that would kick ass. No more DVD players. No more VCRs....just the TV (Which if I had money would be a plasma ), reciever, and computer. That would be great. Especially to play games on. Right there if I also go emulators, which were written well, I could have any console I wanted automatically hooked up

I really wish I had the money to make one of them. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 9:44pm 2004

? posted by Crono
I really wish I had the money to make one of them.

i would be content mostly, with the items people discard when they upgrade..

i am to poor to purchase most stuff, but manage well enuff for myself, but i do repair PC's i am given and then i give them to people even poorer than i.

someplace, there must be a pc graveyard, if only i could find it.

i have been thinking of starting a website, dedicated to discarded parts, i would even pay the ground postage to get it..

i know a lot of people whom have kids, but no access to computers.

[addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sun Mar 14th at 2:12am 2004

That's true, there are many less fortunate then myself. However, I know individuals (girlfriends parents) who literally think the computer and the internet is EVIL.

They have one, but, they think it is suspicious if you a) know how to use it, b) use it at all.

Obviously this is a very ignorant view.

But my main point with my media computer is that it would void buying other units such as a DVD player and such. It would cheaper in the long run, maybe not on DVDRs, but cheaper in general. I wouldn't really have to buy a new DVD player, if I wanted a new one it would be a fraction of the cost of a current standalone unit.

I think that many companies should give computers to individuals, but they don't because of legalities and such. and 'company policy' after all, sadly, it is a captialist society, the dollar wins (usually).

And now I just realised that most of my post is rambling. [addsig]



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Posted by diablo on Sun Mar 14th at 9:49am 2004

I had the same problem with my FX5600, with a bit of creativity i put an vantec iceburg pro fan on it, spins at 5000 or so rpm so it does the job, great price too (cost me $25 australian). IF you're willing to pay a bit more I believe zalman make a good vga cooling kit for $50 au.






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