Reading this again I don't think this topic can get more off-topic than it already is oops
Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Niborius on Wed Apr 18th at 10:09pm 2012
Posted by Niborius on Wed Apr 18th at 10:09pm 2012
Oh btw sgtfly, if you don't mind me asking, were you succesful with that other copy of Gothic 1 you ordered?
Reading this again I don't think this topic can get more off-topic than it already is oops
Reading this again I don't think this topic can get more off-topic than it already is oops
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 18th at 10:23pm 2012
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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 18th at 10:23pm 2012
Having a thread go off topic is a Snarkpit tradition that I hope NEVER changes. Mostly, because I am the one who leads them astray but I am not the only one so its fun still.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Niborius on Thu Apr 19th at 8:51am 2012
Posted by Niborius on Thu Apr 19th at 8:51am 2012
Hahaha 
that is so true.
Another reason why I like the Pit, is that an admin doesn't warn you about a ban whenever you go off-topic for just one small thingy.
that is so true.Another reason why I like the Pit, is that an admin doesn't warn you about a ban whenever you go off-topic for just one small thingy.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 19th at 9:28am 2012
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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 19th at 9:28am 2012
As you have noticed, you can screw the pooch often and vigorously and remain.
On a serious note, we have only banned less than half a dozen accounts and if I recall, 3 of them were the same person. (Rugal)
Snarkpit doesn't ban lightly.
On a serious note, we have only banned less than half a dozen accounts and if I recall, 3 of them were the same person. (Rugal)
Snarkpit doesn't ban lightly.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Niborius on Thu Apr 19th at 9:54am 2012
This is what I meant with me not understanding because of my lack of English, I know you're joking, but I don't even get most of the Dutch sayings yet.
Anyway, I am sure they ban a person if it's absolutely necessary, but at least the pit considers second chances.
One of the other things I hate about other forums, is that your topic gets locked before you even had a chance to reply, because they thought the issue was solved.
What's the point of locking a topic anyway? So that it won't get revived a few years later? Does that really matter?
Posted by Niborius on Thu Apr 19th at 9:54am 2012
Quoting Orpheus
As you have noticed, you can screw the pooch often and vigorously and remain.
This is what I meant with me not understanding because of my lack of English, I know you're joking, but I don't even get most of the Dutch sayings yet.
Anyway, I am sure they ban a person if it's absolutely necessary, but at least the pit considers second chances.
One of the other things I hate about other forums, is that your topic gets locked before you even had a chance to reply, because they thought the issue was solved.
What's the point of locking a topic anyway? So that it won't get revived a few years later? Does that really matter?
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 19th at 10:30am 2012
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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 19th at 10:30am 2012
Snarkpit has rules/guidelines that were at one time, set in stone. Sometime recently, some of them have been chipped at to the point where they aren't even there anymore.
The basic premise here is freedom of speech. You can pretty much talk about anything short of a direct attack upon someone. (Somehow though, the definition of "Direct attack" has become fuzzy)
If banning were common here, we'd have few left INCLUDING the admin. Many of them have had infractions that would have gotten them banned from other sites. (Yes, myself included)
Thankfully, the only recent activity that didn't used to be common was the locking of topics. Times were, we had so many of them locked that there were several on each page a day. Now however, none are... Although I am sure the ability still exists, it is not used to excess anymore.
Also, the light blue text signifies humor.
The basic premise here is freedom of speech. You can pretty much talk about anything short of a direct attack upon someone. (Somehow though, the definition of "Direct attack" has become fuzzy)
If banning were common here, we'd have few left INCLUDING the admin. Many of them have had infractions that would have gotten them banned from other sites. (Yes, myself included)
Thankfully, the only recent activity that didn't used to be common was the locking of topics. Times were, we had so many of them locked that there were several on each page a day. Now however, none are... Although I am sure the ability still exists, it is not used to excess anymore.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Crono on Thu Apr 19th at 6:21pm 2012
Posted by Crono on Thu Apr 19th at 6:21pm 2012
The pit seems to consider 100th chances, recently.
The reason for modern inconsistencies is two fold, both the ownership and control of the site has changed and the user base has drastically changed. It only makes sense that governing tactics would be different ... and for a long time after that transition, there was only one administration person, so not everything was even seen as it happened.
In terms of flexibility in rules ... well, if there's not as many people, you don't have to keep things as straight and clean cut, you can kind of let things happen organically. Going off topic, isn't usually an issue depending on what kind of thread it's in.
If someone starts steering an editing question down the path of a console war argument, that's entirely unacceptable, likewise if archived threads massively derail like the Bugs thread or something. But if someone's "personal" thread shifts discussion ... eh, so what?
I've been thinking a long time how to easily model this kind of behavior in a forum so it still stays organized, but allows people to talk almost free form.
If Orpheus' comment was his second not so subtle jab in my direction: no I have never been under threat of banning from any community, including this one. But if that idea helps you feel better about yourself ... fine, whatever.
The root thing we'll take issue with currently is belittling, bullying, and more complex ideas than purely "insults". An insult is usually just the manifestation of these behaviors, and they have no place here. It's a trend of behavior that is more concerning for the atmosphere of a community. Again, something else I've been thinking about how to track in a model for awhile.
By model, I mean Software Model. As in a way to represent some set of data in a usable manner. So there's no confusion: JUST TO BE CLEAR.
The reason for modern inconsistencies is two fold, both the ownership and control of the site has changed and the user base has drastically changed. It only makes sense that governing tactics would be different ... and for a long time after that transition, there was only one administration person, so not everything was even seen as it happened.
In terms of flexibility in rules ... well, if there's not as many people, you don't have to keep things as straight and clean cut, you can kind of let things happen organically. Going off topic, isn't usually an issue depending on what kind of thread it's in.
If someone starts steering an editing question down the path of a console war argument, that's entirely unacceptable, likewise if archived threads massively derail like the Bugs thread or something. But if someone's "personal" thread shifts discussion ... eh, so what?
I've been thinking a long time how to easily model this kind of behavior in a forum so it still stays organized, but allows people to talk almost free form.
If Orpheus' comment was his second not so subtle jab in my direction: no I have never been under threat of banning from any community, including this one. But if that idea helps you feel better about yourself ... fine, whatever.
The root thing we'll take issue with currently is belittling, bullying, and more complex ideas than purely "insults". An insult is usually just the manifestation of these behaviors, and they have no place here. It's a trend of behavior that is more concerning for the atmosphere of a community. Again, something else I've been thinking about how to track in a model for awhile.
By model, I mean Software Model. As in a way to represent some set of data in a usable manner. So there's no confusion: JUST TO BE CLEAR.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 19th at 8:09pm 2012
If Orpheus' comment was his second not so subtle jab in my direction: no I have never been under threat of banning from any community, including this one. But if that idea helps you feel better about yourself ... fine, whatever.
I dunno how you came to the conclusion you just said (assuming I am reading it right) But you might wanna check as to whom nominated you to the position you currently have.
NO, I am not taking credit. I am saying I think it is a great idea.
You have gotten strange of late though.. Be that as it may, I didn't bring up the banning thing.. I only posted that we almost never do it here which is a good thing.
It might help if you weren't so ambiguous?
As for admin doing things that could have gotten them banned.. Or more precisely, Admin that could have been banned for bad behavior:
1)We have had an admin who used to get drunk every week and cause all kinds of hell here. Then he would sober up and apologize for a week and the next weekend it would happen again.
2)We had an admin who used to erase post content to make it sound worse than it was or totally rewrite a post to make it bad.
3)We had an admin who would lock topics in an attempt at censorship.
4)We had an admin (me) who used to unlock said topics. It was one of the worst times here. I came -->this close<-- to being banned because of it.
Whether you guys were here or not to see these thing I dunno but the point is, we don't ban people easily. It takes a shitload of bad if these acts are any guide.
Snarkpit has had many good and bad things.
My advice to you Adam (IF I READ YOUR WORDS CORRECTLY) is stop reading more into my posts than they words contained therein. You should know me well enough by now that if I want you to know, I will be perfectly clear.
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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 19th at 8:09pm 2012
Quoting Crono
If Orpheus' comment was his second not so subtle jab in my direction: no I have never been under threat of banning from any community, including this one. But if that idea helps you feel better about yourself ... fine, whatever.
I dunno how you came to the conclusion you just said (assuming I am reading it right) But you might wanna check as to whom nominated you to the position you currently have.
NO, I am not taking credit. I am saying I think it is a great idea.
You have gotten strange of late though.. Be that as it may, I didn't bring up the banning thing.. I only posted that we almost never do it here which is a good thing.
It might help if you weren't so ambiguous?
As for admin doing things that could have gotten them banned.. Or more precisely, Admin that could have been banned for bad behavior:
1)We have had an admin who used to get drunk every week and cause all kinds of hell here. Then he would sober up and apologize for a week and the next weekend it would happen again.
2)We had an admin who used to erase post content to make it sound worse than it was or totally rewrite a post to make it bad.
3)We had an admin who would lock topics in an attempt at censorship.
4)We had an admin (me) who used to unlock said topics. It was one of the worst times here. I came -->this close<-- to being banned because of it.
Whether you guys were here or not to see these thing I dunno but the point is, we don't ban people easily. It takes a shitload of bad if these acts are any guide.
Snarkpit has had many good and bad things.
My advice to you Adam (IF I READ YOUR WORDS CORRECTLY) is stop reading more into my posts than they words contained therein. You should know me well enough by now that if I want you to know, I will be perfectly clear.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Crono on Thu Apr 19th at 9:49pm 2012
Posted by Crono on Thu Apr 19th at 9:49pm 2012
That did clarify what you were saying, thank you.
The problem is you're talking about stuff that literally happened 6 years ago without explicitly saying that this happened several years ago. It's just impossible to tell what exactly you're addressing, because normally if someone says something it's about things happening NOW. This makes it incredibly confusing to understand what you're actually saying.
Do what you did above more often. It's not as if some previous Snarkpit Elder-God will come and smite you down for talking shit about poor management.
It only stands to reason that we can form new understandings on how to more ... stabilize the community through issues that have happened before. Because I've entirely forgotten the admin drunken rampages. Too much has happened since then for me.
The problem is you're talking about stuff that literally happened 6 years ago without explicitly saying that this happened several years ago. It's just impossible to tell what exactly you're addressing, because normally if someone says something it's about things happening NOW. This makes it incredibly confusing to understand what you're actually saying.
Do what you did above more often. It's not as if some previous Snarkpit Elder-God will come and smite you down for talking shit about poor management.
It only stands to reason that we can form new understandings on how to more ... stabilize the community through issues that have happened before. Because I've entirely forgotten the admin drunken rampages. Too much has happened since then for me.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by sgtfly on Thu Apr 19th at 10:03pm 2012
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Posted by sgtfly on Thu Apr 19th at 10:03pm 2012
Ah.. I hear ya, she's a good soul for tending to them. After awhile they get to be like family and it's hard not to become attached. Caring for anmals is full time job I'm sure and finding people to do that for you so you can get away for a bit has to be tough.
Well it was a thought, but feel free to stop by any time.
We get out west but it's usually just flying over or when driving way north or south of you, plus catching you there is probably real hit or miss I bet.
Well it was a thought, but feel free to stop by any time.
We get out west but it's usually just flying over or when driving way north or south of you, plus catching you there is probably real hit or miss I bet.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Orpheus on Fri Apr 20th at 1:22am 2012
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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Apr 20th at 1:22am 2012
/me casa../you casa.
and yeah, as you can guess... I am never home. I average 120 to 140 thousand miles a year.
and yeah, as you can guess... I am never home. I average 120 to 140 thousand miles a year.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Riven on Fri Apr 20th at 2:02am 2012
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Posted by Riven on Fri Apr 20th at 2:02am 2012
Lots to comment on after missing a couple of days! 
You guys touched on a lot of stuff; where should I start? I'll keep it short....
This is my belief. At least as long as I can make time to read all the threads and catch up on all the ongoings, there would be not good enough reason to 'autoban' a person on the loose basis of a couple of PMs and a recommendation by a fellow moderator (we have none atm actually). So, if the admin can keep tabs on the different personalities and issues within their forums, I wouldn't advocate strict moderation, because there's enough time and patience to go around to work these things out (usually).
Features are in place where if need be, we could organize new moderators and lock threads etc... But until the activity on the site increases, I don't find it necessary.
Yes we did in fact talk about this; it can be somewhat of a stressful ordeal, where young people in good intention wishing to act their maturity, but are definitely trapped in their 13, 16 year-old self call on elders to treat them like adults. ..And setting a meet-up can make the older of the group super paranoid. I get that, and hope nothing ever happens to anyone here involving such an issue. However despite all that, I have to say I laughed at this comment Orph. It's not for any reason stated above, but simply because I tried to imagine myself pretending to act legal all these years, and not being so, what would be my motive? I tried to imagine a few.
It's unfortunate that these concerns are indeed legitimate, but as you can see from the younger-side's end, that lines can be crossed quite easily at no fault to the elder, and yet get accused. I respect you for fighting that, and I hope I can maintain just as much enjoyment from internet forums in the future as I have since.
It's something that should be considered for anyone after you turn 18 I would think.
You guys touched on a lot of stuff; where should I start? I'll keep it short....Quoting Crono
In terms of flexibility in rules ... well, if there's not as many people, you don't have to keep things as straight and clean cut, you can kind of let things happen organically.
This is my belief. At least as long as I can make time to read all the threads and catch up on all the ongoings, there would be not good enough reason to 'autoban' a person on the loose basis of a couple of PMs and a recommendation by a fellow moderator (we have none atm actually). So, if the admin can keep tabs on the different personalities and issues within their forums, I wouldn't advocate strict moderation, because there's enough time and patience to go around to work these things out (usually).
Features are in place where if need be, we could organize new moderators and lock threads etc... But until the activity on the site increases, I don't find it necessary.
Quoting Orpheus
It was one of the first things Riven and I discussed when we met. I was still sorta worried that he was a kid pretending to be of legal age. You never know these things in advance.
Yes we did in fact talk about this; it can be somewhat of a stressful ordeal, where young people in good intention wishing to act their maturity, but are definitely trapped in their 13, 16 year-old self call on elders to treat them like adults. ..And setting a meet-up can make the older of the group super paranoid. I get that, and hope nothing ever happens to anyone here involving such an issue. However despite all that, I have to say I laughed at this comment Orph. It's not for any reason stated above, but simply because I tried to imagine myself pretending to act legal all these years, and not being so, what would be my motive? I tried to imagine a few.
It's unfortunate that these concerns are indeed legitimate, but as you can see from the younger-side's end, that lines can be crossed quite easily at no fault to the elder, and yet get accused. I respect you for fighting that, and I hope I can maintain just as much enjoyment from internet forums in the future as I have since.
It's something that should be considered for anyone after you turn 18 I would think.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by sgtfly on Fri Apr 20th at 12:02pm 2012
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Posted by sgtfly on Fri Apr 20th at 12:02pm 2012
Well, Nibs to stay off topic on Gothic no I'm having trouble getting a hold of a copy for some reason. I'll keep trying though, just been real busy lately and I apologise.
BOT, I don't know why people get so upset when a topic wanders every now and then. I had a site for years and we never worried about it. It gets back on track easy enuff if you want it to. Also I haven't seen anything around here that smacks of dowright fighting and bickering on the forums. Diversity and disagreement make things interesting and all of you guys seem to have a sense of that.
There are so many I can see from different stages and walks of life that things can get confused and comments mistaken, and that just taking the time to try and understand someone's posts usually clarifies what their saying before you decide to bark back.
Yes you do get those that need to be banned from time to time but those are usually total nutjobs which I haven't seen here.
And yes, the world has become a place where adults have to be careful how they deal with young adults and children. Because at the drop of a single word your world can turn to ruin and get very ugly. That's where maturity comes in and adults are paranoid to deal with young people, because that maturity isn't there to handle situations of that ilk. And when a young person is disappointed in how they perceived or treated they tend to revert to their immature state and can ruin someone's life because of it.
Oh, well back to better things guys.
BOT, I don't know why people get so upset when a topic wanders every now and then. I had a site for years and we never worried about it. It gets back on track easy enuff if you want it to. Also I haven't seen anything around here that smacks of dowright fighting and bickering on the forums. Diversity and disagreement make things interesting and all of you guys seem to have a sense of that.
There are so many I can see from different stages and walks of life that things can get confused and comments mistaken, and that just taking the time to try and understand someone's posts usually clarifies what their saying before you decide to bark back.
Yes you do get those that need to be banned from time to time but those are usually total nutjobs which I haven't seen here.
And yes, the world has become a place where adults have to be careful how they deal with young adults and children. Because at the drop of a single word your world can turn to ruin and get very ugly. That's where maturity comes in and adults are paranoid to deal with young people, because that maturity isn't there to handle situations of that ilk. And when a young person is disappointed in how they perceived or treated they tend to revert to their immature state and can ruin someone's life because of it.
Oh, well back to better things guys.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Niborius on Fri Apr 20th at 12:16pm 2012
No need to apologise, I just feel bad that it costs you so much trouble. Just say it when you really can't get hold of a copy, I won't mind.
Posted by Niborius on Fri Apr 20th at 12:16pm 2012
Quoting sgtfly
Well, Nibs to stay off topic on Gothic no I'm having trouble getting a hold of a copy for some reason. I'll keep trying though, just been real busy lately and I apologise.
No need to apologise, I just feel bad that it costs you so much trouble. Just say it when you really can't get hold of a copy, I won't mind.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 22nd at 10:41am 2012
It's something that should be considered for anyone after you turn 18 I would think.
It should be but I am betting NOBODY here (or elsewhere) will.
An event that happened 10 or 15 years back:
My brother-in-law and his girlfriend at the time was 17 and 16 respectively. They were doing what comes natural for teens. Anyway, when he turns 18, she turns 17 and HE GOES TO JAIL.
Now, because of the law and the sex offender registration act he has a noose around his neck for the rest of his life.
Mind you, we need to watch pedophiles but these kids had been at it for a year or more but because of a loophole/misrepresentation/over zealous law official, he went to jail when he was 18 because she was a minor still.
All I can say is, if you guys are just now turning, or have recently turned 18, you truly need to rethink your actions. I would hate to see a repeat of my inlaws event.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 22nd at 10:41am 2012
Quoting Riven
It's something that should be considered for anyone after you turn 18 I would think.
It should be but I am betting NOBODY here (or elsewhere) will.
An event that happened 10 or 15 years back:
My brother-in-law and his girlfriend at the time was 17 and 16 respectively. They were doing what comes natural for teens. Anyway, when he turns 18, she turns 17 and HE GOES TO JAIL.
Now, because of the law and the sex offender registration act he has a noose around his neck for the rest of his life.
Mind you, we need to watch pedophiles but these kids had been at it for a year or more but because of a loophole/misrepresentation/over zealous law official, he went to jail when he was 18 because she was a minor still.
All I can say is, if you guys are just now turning, or have recently turned 18, you truly need to rethink your actions. I would hate to see a repeat of my inlaws event.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by G4MER on Sun Apr 22nd at 6:44pm 2012
Posted by G4MER on Sun Apr 22nd at 6:44pm 2012
Your brother-in-law should of hired an attorney. He was with in the 3 year age group of the person he was dating, and that is not just a state deal, but a federal one.. Now I am not sure what the laws are like in your state, but in Texas a person becomes an adult at 17, and can consent to sex. Minors who have had sex can be charged with Statutory Rape, but that is often brought on by parents who don't want their babies having sex, or don't like the partner their child has chosen. Most judges look at those cases and give very lenient punishments, knowing full well it takes two to tango. So either your lieing to make a point and warn people to be careful, cause there are ass-hats out there who don't have your best interest at heart, or your brother-in-law got a raw deal and should see what he can do to get his conviction appealed.
Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 22nd at 10:33pm 2012
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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 22nd at 10:33pm 2012
The information I posted is second hand at best. I don't believe he lied to me though. However, I cannot swear on it as gospel either.
It was a case of the girls parents turning him in though so... What I found odd was that absolutely nothing changed except he turned 18.
*shrugs*
I only posted it to show that there are possible cases where the pedophile thing is abused.. (or can be)
It was a case of the girls parents turning him in though so... What I found odd was that absolutely nothing changed except he turned 18.
*shrugs*
I only posted it to show that there are possible cases where the pedophile thing is abused.. (or can be)
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 22nd at 10:54pm 2012
Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 22nd at 10:54pm 2012
That's actually a very common thing.
What's worse is, later, those types of couples usually get married, and have kids and now the father can never go anywhere near their school or any extracurricular activities.
It's a very screwed up situation.
What's worse is, later, those types of couples usually get married, and have kids and now the father can never go anywhere near their school or any extracurricular activities.
It's a very screwed up situation.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 22nd at 11:42pm 2012
It's a very screwed up situation.
Very.
Like I said, I don't think he lied. Since he is still young, I see no reason or benefit for him to have been untruthful.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 22nd at 11:42pm 2012
Quoting Crono
It's a very screwed up situation.
Very.
Like I said, I don't think he lied. Since he is still young, I see no reason or benefit for him to have been untruthful.
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Re: Had a very interesting visit with a local Snarkpit member.
Posted by G4MER on Mon Apr 23rd at 5:53am 2012
Posted by G4MER on Mon Apr 23rd at 5:53am 2012
So yeah, Have him check out his state laws on when adulthood takes place.. I bet he can get that overturned. I have seen it happen here in Texas as well, and pretty close to the same story except the girl was like 16 and the guy turned a8 and the parents had him arrested. They normally get the Statutory Charge reversed, due to being with in that 3 year age difference.
I understand why the law is in place, I am just sad that it often gets abused by parents who wish to control and rule over their children's lives, and use it to punish a guy they just don't approve of. I hardly ever see it in the reverse though. 18yo Female and 16 yo boy... seems that parents are a bit more forgiving in that situation.
As I said before in the State of Texas your an adult at 17.
I understand why the law is in place, I am just sad that it often gets abused by parents who wish to control and rule over their children's lives, and use it to punish a guy they just don't approve of. I hardly ever see it in the reverse though. 18yo Female and 16 yo boy... seems that parents are a bit more forgiving in that situation.
As I said before in the State of Texas your an adult at 17.
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