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Posted by Crono on Wed Apr 14th at 5:35am 2004

Well, mostly it fragments the drive, if I'm not mistaken.
Usually when you normally use the HD it gets fragmented from moving files, but moving things accross the ENTIRE drive has the same effect. I suppose you could format then defrag ... but ... then what's the point? Expeicially because the problem is usually in the registry, if you format it just removes the data ... the registry is still messed up.

Anyway, you really never have to format unless you need to put a different format on the hard drive or wiping your system (in which case, just delete the partition and allow a set up program to format later).

I think the problem is, there are things I'm forgetting to mention here that could possibly fix this issue since they're things I automatically do if I have a problem. Such as if a program is being completly wacky no matter what I do, I'll uninstall it and re-install it, pretty basic stuff, but some people don't think to do that, why? I have no idea.

All I can really say is that a format will not help Wil5on, not at all.

(Also, TB, I meant he should run a virus scan since he's got some funky stuff going on, not because a hard drive has fragmented and residual information) [addsig]



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Posted by wil5on on Wed Apr 14th at 5:36am 2004

Well, thats all well and good, but it doesnt help me with my problem (sorry if I'm being rude, but my computer is becoming more and more frustrating).

Now, for some reason, every 1-2 minutes my computer pops up this message:

If I insert the XP CD it seems to make it stop, but my CD drive starts to spin constantly, and if I want to use another CD, bammo ^^.

Oh and BTW, the drivers I've been using are Catalyst 4.3. I'm using a Radeon 9600 Pro. Will try new GL drivers, since it seems only GL programs are screwing up.

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Posted by Crono on Wed Apr 14th at 5:48am 2004

Have you thought of leaving your computer alone while it uses the cd? I mean unless it take more then 20 minutes or so with no visible action, let it do its job.

Something you might want to do is get drivers for the hard ware you recently installed drivers for on line from the manufacturer which are made for XP. I've had times where the drivers which came with the card or something as such made XP stop working. Last week, I updated my video drivers and when I restarted my screen was black, because I did too much between installing the drivers and restarting. I had to put in a different videocard start up, restart and reinstall it with the same drivers and it was fine. Crap like this happens a lot, you just need to be patient. I mean, to be honest, you're probably in this prediciment because at some point you were very impatient and you didn't let something finish.

Anyway, I hope that all helps. [addsig]



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Posted by wil5on on Wed Apr 14th at 6:16am 2004

Youre probably right Crono.

The only changes made to my hardware recently were... I added a HDD to backup my stuff, and I removed the NIC because I thought it was causing problems.

EDIT: Checked ATI site, the newer drivers dont list any fixes to do with opengl. Will try getting WinXP SP1a, that may fix it.

EDIT: Gaahh, damn MS. I dont have a net connection on my own comp, which means I'd have to dl the 143mb version, which is something I just cant do atm. Is it worth it, getting the CD? (BTW I'm not in the US/Canada). If I have to pay for it, I wont bother.

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Posted by Gorbachev on Wed Apr 14th at 2:48pm 2004

・posted by Tracer Bullet

Gorb-

I think just defragging should fix the load times.. no need for the reformat.

Crono- I guess I didn't understand what you were saying. I thought you were implying that the residual data itself could cause a problem i.e. a virus that wasn't actualy deleted ect... I don't understand how a reformat would even marginaly effect the drive capacity, but I'll take your word for it. I don't know very much about HDD technology.

No, defragging does not do the same. Reformatting removes tons of the extra junk that accumulates i.e. extra memory being taken up etc. When you do a fresh install of windows it's also a good idea to defragment as drives tend to be very fragmented after a new install.

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Posted by Crono on Wed Apr 14th at 10:04pm 2004

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Checked ATI site, the newer drivers dont list any fixes to do with opengl. Will try getting WinXP SP1a, that may fix it.


Just because OpenGL is not working properly doesn't mean it is openGL's fault. It's probably a compatability issue with Windows XP. Maybe you wrote over some working drivers you had when you installed something. What I'm saying is, try to reinstall drivers you know that work.

I don't suggest the Service Pack, it wont fix anything pertaining to video stuff.

If you want, go through the Windows Update and choose what you want to install (Usually there are a few driver updates you'll want).

You can also try re-installing DirectX 9b and such. [addsig]



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Posted by wil5on on Thu Apr 15th at 3:00am 2004

I cant really run windows update... you see, my computer doesnt have an internet connection (I use my parents for internet).

A friend of mine suggested I try an older driver version, like cat 4.1. He says he had this problem with Pandora Tomorrow and it actually recommends you use older drivers.

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Posted by Crono on Thu Apr 15th at 3:56am 2004

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I cant really run windows update... you see, my computer doesnt have an internet connection (I use my parents for internet).


Then lug your computer downstairs and hook it up to their connection. I mean its not like you're going to have to do this more then once. [addsig]



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Posted by GrimlocK on Thu Apr 15th at 4:51am 2004

? posted by Crono
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I cant really run windows update... you see, my computer doesnt have an internet connection (I use my parents for internet).


Then lug your computer downstairs and hook it up to their connection. I mean its not like you're going to have to do this more then once.

yes, so simple it hurts





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Posted by fraggard on Thu Apr 15th at 1:14pm 2004

*edit: I'm an idiot.





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Posted by wil5on on Thu Apr 15th at 1:34pm 2004

Its ADSL 256k but thats not the point... I'd have to pay for the connection if I got my own, and I cant afford that. At least not a decent connection (i.e. more than 5mb a month dl limit). And plugging my box into the adsl is not an option.

Does anyone think older drivers would work?

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Posted by fraggard on Thu Apr 15th at 5:19pm 2004

I hate it when a joke fizzles out like that I was actually making a wisecrack about your parents being used as a modem or whatever, which was what you said. But bah. I'll shut up now.

And if any of you remember I had a similar problem with OGL drivers before and the Service pack fixed it. Try that if you can.





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Posted by wil5on on Sat Apr 17th at 5:54am 2004

I shall see... Will try the drivers, if they dont work, will try service pack. [addsig]



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Posted by wil5on on Sat Apr 17th at 1:56pm 2004

-bump-

Tried Catalyst 4.1, didnt help at all. Might take a while for me to get the SP.

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Posted by Rumple on Sun Apr 18th at 2:13am 2004

you can order a cd from MS that has sp1 and some other security updates on it, only problem it takes about 4 weeks to arrive. http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp

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Posted by wil5on on Sun Apr 18th at 4:17am 2004

I know you can order a CD... but I'd have to pay for it. I have a friend who has it on CD tho, I'll get it from him in a week.

EDIT: CoD crashes still. Just installed, worked fine on first run, but second time it crashed and reset the computer.

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Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 18th at 4:32am 2004

Wil5on, it is your graphics. Something isn't processing normally, but if Games are crashing your computer it is most definatly either your graphics card or drivers. The service pack might fix it by fixing XP compatability issues. But, just letting you know ... its giving all the signs of a failing graphics card or poor drivers. Lets hope it is the latter, since the other would require purchase of a new card. If you want you can test this by testing the 3d capabilities of directX. I'm sure only OpenGL is crashing though ... one other thing it might be ... maybe, is your settings, try turning them down and see if it crashes, especially with MOH. With CoD, I found that an 'iffy' installation will cause it to act up. Nevertheless you said you can use your friends cd for the service pack, just wait to see what that will fix or break. Granted, when I did some MS updates it blocked all forms of popups, which pissed me off to no end. Just be aware it could change some things you don't want changed. Anyway, good luck. [addsig]



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Posted by wil5on on Sun Apr 18th at 4:37am 2004

Thanks Crono. I think that the card would still be under warranty tho... I got it early this year. I'll see what the update does...

Does anyone know any good general tech support forums?

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Posted by Rumple on Sun Apr 18th at 4:52am 2004

? posted by wil5on

but I'd have to pay for it.

its free...

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Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 18th at 4:56am 2004

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its free...


You sure about that? I know you can download it for free, but he's talking about geting the CD from Microsoft. I doubt they'd be that generous, you'd, at the very least, would have to pay for shipping. But I might be wrong, maybe the company grew a heart after all ... but if they did: here comes the apocalypse [addsig]




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