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Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 13th at 6:48am 2004

Hopefully this won?t turn into a religious thread.

If you keep up with American news at all you would have seen various states legalizing gay marriage.

In my state, Oregon, a county (Multnomah for the 2 other Oregonians) has legalized it, however, gay couples who got married might now have to face imprisonment because the state had not passed gay marriage as a law.

My stance on this whole issue is that: what's the big deal?

At this point in our history the original idea of marriage is not what is held in churches and one hour stops in Las Vegas.

The whole point of marriage is a HOLY union between two people, man and woman. The second that divorce, alimony, child support, and judges being able to marry individuals got involved, marriage really became a legal binding agreement.

I respect the ideas of marriage; I plan on getting married at some point. But, as our society treats it today it really isn't marriage. Marriage to me is more or less the bond and responsibility you feel for the person you're married to, not to mention your family.

In this fiasco people have been rioting saying that gay marriage is immoral and religiously wrong. Not to mention that many of these individuals could very well be on their fifth marriage and haven't prayed in several years. They're being hypocritical.

I don't support Gay marriage, but I don't knock it. I don't care if a gay couple gets married, because all marriage is anymore, besides a personal bond you have with a person which you poses before you actually marry them, is just for social status. It's sad, but it's true.

So, in all my rambling, what are your opinions on this?

Please, reframe from gay bashing and mindless religious preaching, as in just saying "it's wrong". Because saying "it's wrong" doesn't mean anything, not since Marriage became legality. [addsig]



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Posted by wil5on on Sat Mar 13th at 6:50am 2004

^^^ what he said. [addsig]



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Posted by Jinx on Sat Mar 13th at 7:39am 2004

Not allowing gays to be married is discrimination. That's that.

George Bush is a self-righteous bigot and can go to hell.





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Posted by Cassius on Sat Mar 13th at 7:59am 2004

Living near San Francisco, the US gay marriage issue is pretty big at in my area and school. At first, I thought the marriages themselves were fine, but that it was not right to go straight through the law and a measure that proved that Californians did not want this.

While I still don't believe it was any place of Newsom's to do this, I realized that law and justice were not in accord here. Remember, the Nurmenburg (sp?) trials held that there are some laws of the state which we as human beings can and should hold to be wrong out of our own judgement, and I think that standard applies here.

George Bush is doing this to win back conservative allies, it's as simple as that, which is a shame.

Homosexuality is not a natural thing by most all accounts - that is to say, a facet of animals that is evolved - but I don't believe that makes it at all wrong. Homosexuality does occur in nature. All sexual attraction is for the opposite sex (that's what it's about, of course) so I think homosexuality is just a misdirection of that. However, that doesn't mean that can create long term relationships and love, so there's no point in prohibiting it.





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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sat Mar 13th at 8:04am 2004

Sonds like the pretty unainmous agreement on this. wHoe really cares? if they want to get married, let them do it! [addsig]



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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Sat Mar 13th at 8:36am 2004

all theyre bothered about is the association with religion, let them marry without any religious association & there will be nothing to discuss. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 13th at 9:08am 2004

However, what people are whining about is that the gay couples want to be married, and that alone is a religious connection....at least in their eyes. [addsig]



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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Sat Mar 13th at 9:17am 2004

it doesnt have to be normal marriage. if changes are going to be made, make a marriage that involves no religion. tbh, id prefer marriage without religious connections [addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Sat Mar 13th at 10:21am 2004

I believe that any kind of gay action is expressly forbidden by the bible, so basically any 'holy' marriage is wrong, and priests (including anglican ones.. ) are going against what they believe.

However, christians don't 'own' marriage, like they don't 'own' Christmas any more. I'm not against some gay marriage- I personally find it pretty revolting though, but hey, I'm allowed my own opinions- but I think it's wrong to bring up a child within such a relationship (gay or lesbian). Kids need stability and the '2 sides' like that when they grow up, and you're living in a pretty sorry culture if you don't need that any more.

And are these states *allowed* to legalise it in this way? I hope they're not being completely irresponsible.





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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Sat Mar 13th at 10:27am 2004

you dont need both parents, but two of the same could well change your view on things I agree. I find it pretty disgusting tbh but if thats what they want to do, let them bugger off & do it. [addsig]



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Posted by Kain on Sat Mar 13th at 10:37am 2004

I am with gay marriage (let them do what they want), but I am against gay couples adopting a child. Why condemn that child to an almost certain psychological desequilibrium ?



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sat Mar 13th at 11:46am 2004

First time I read about Bush trying to ban Gay Marriage, I just couldn't beleive it. It's hard to imagine how someone could be that conservative. Futhermore, it's even harder to beleive that people actually support him. When I read about it, I interpreted it as the final nail in Bush's coffin, but it seems it could have the opposite effect, which is just awful if you ask me. [addsig]



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Posted by DesPlesda on Sat Mar 13th at 12:19pm 2004

To all the (hitherto) self-centred far right anti-gay marriage peoples out there: since when did gay marriage become something that affects you to such an extent that you feel you must outlaw it in your constitution?

Kain: You remind me of a quote on bash.org:
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<CharoNoMe> Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.




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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sat Mar 13th at 12:26pm 2004

? quote:
I am with gay marriage (let them do what they want), but I am against gay couples adopting a child. Why condemn that child to an almost certain psychological desequilibrium ?


In actual fact, it's more likely for a child who comes from a straight family to have "certain psychological desequilibrium". Remember, gay people who decided to have children will want one, and will take care of them to their fullest, because it was their choice. However, straight couples don't always decide to have children, and thus sometimes don't bother to care for them. Gay couples can't have kids by accident.

As a side note, children raised by gay couples also grow up to be more open minded indidividuals, so I say, let them have kids, then we can have less close-minded conservatives like Bush running the world. [addsig]



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Posted by scary_jeff on Sat Mar 13th at 12:40pm 2004

I think it's wrong to ban people from doing things that don't affect anyone else. I think this is one of these cases - if the couples weren't allowed to get married, they would most likely just live together in the exact same way as they would do if they had been allowed to marry.



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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Sat Mar 13th at 12:50pm 2004

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In actual fact, it's more likely for a child who comes from a straight family to have "certain psychological desequilibrium". Remember, gay people who decided to have children will want one, and will take care of them to their fullest, because it was their choice. However, straight couples don't always decide to have children, and thus sometimes don't bother to care for them. Gay couples can't have kids by accident.


I think being a bad parent has little to do with planning for a child or not. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 12:57pm 2004

/me being whom i am, you know my take.. its sick, always will be, and no amount of rationalizing it will alter that view.

my wife and i have vowed, that if they legalize it here we will divorce, cause we refuse to share marriage with them, in spite of the fact we both are non-religious, we take our marriage quite seriously.. and its a union/group or whatever you like to say, but its a position we will not share with a bunch of deviants.

being one of the few pitters whom feel so strongly negative about gays, it puts me in an awkward position, since most of you are of the mind, that any action taken that hurts no one else is a good thing, i cannot really believe that rational and educated people can think so.. self destructiveness, is still wrong.

basically its this, if the gays are allowed to marry, whats next, the incestuous couples? if a guarantee on no offspring, will it be ok for brothers/sisters, mothers and son's to marry.. and who's to say if they do that offspring are not their "GOD GIVIN RIGHT"???

look wrong is wrong, will always be wrong, it cannot be changed on a whim.. its gotta stop someplace and i say it stops at marriage.

bottom-line folks, i refuse to argue this point so don't you dare quote anything i just typed, cause i refuse to argue, but i promise you will NOT like to hear what i really think about gays.. up to this point in snarkpit history, i have kept my mouth pretty clean on the subject.. but my thinking still remains quite evil.. THINK BEFORE YOU POST!

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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Sat Mar 13th at 1:38pm 2004

I don't think anyone would like to taint their posts with a quote from that.



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 1:41pm 2004

? posted by Alien_Sniper
I don't think anyone would like to taint their posts with a quote from that.

*wipes brow*

good, i would hate to think that i didn't have the right to post my viewpoint as well..

thanx dave.

in spite of the fact you may disagree, i still appreciate your comment

[addsig]



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Posted by Kain on Sat Mar 13th at 1:57pm 2004

are you sure about that ?? Most complexes and psychoses are caused by an "absent" father, or an unresolved Oedipian conflict, etc... I don't have a very good knowledge of psychology, but i find it weird to have two fathers or two moms (i prefer two moms by the way)...

well i dunno, that's my opinion; although I consider myself a rather open minded person, i'm still an oriental.






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