1st off, allow me to express my gratitude for the support, but i must say, it sure would have been nice had this topic remained as it did the first 7 pages, and you wouldn't have had to.

*blushes*

its hard for people like me to accept assistance, i always win, or lose, on my own.

2ndly, the answer is no jinxy, i am not racist, never have been nor will i.. the ideas of racist and prejudiced against gays, are not similar at all.

you must understand my upbringing guys, and you must accept this as i type it, not how YOU would interpret it to be.

racism is wrong, because people cannot help being BORN the way they are, hence it is so wrong to be racist.

homosexuality is a learned process, and a choice made by people, for whatever reasons, and can be frowned upon, without having to justify oneself.

now understand my quandary, i cannot blame people for how they are born, and if many of you are correct, and gays have no CHOICE, because it is a condition they are born with, then everything i have lived for has been for nothing.

people like me cannot accept being wrong on that scale, so we defend it until overwhelming proof is displayed to the contrary.

if its genetics, i am wrong, and i promise you i will alter my viewpoint accordingly, but i will retain the hope that science will isolate the deformality, before birth and repair the damage, there by removing the future hassles that poor child would have to endure from crass and uncaring people such as myself.

i will never apologize for my beliefs, no more than i expect you to appologize at being so close minded, about your open-mindedness (what a crock of an oxymoron).

if i am wrong i will admit it and strive to correct my wrongs, none of which have thus far involved real people. you may not live to see it, and maybe not i, but it will happen.

till then, i have committed no wrong, and need not answer to anyone, most especially not someone on the net.

Someone once told me about a study that linked overpopulation with homosexuality (done on rats/mice) which could certainly be one reason. Seems to have turned into an 'urban myth of the internet' though- plenty of crappy ezboard n00b topics about it, but no references to the original study :/

Unless Korn is right and there is something (genetic) in your brain, I can't see how being gay is anything other than nurture?

WRONG

Homesexualaltiy CAN happen during the whole birthing process, its all o do with the XX for females and the XY chromosones for males, the body is still the same for the male but with one slight problem, he is born with one extra X chromosone instead of a Y chromosone. [the opposite for females]

sloth, i am not even going to justify this, but i will say, i took advanced anatomy in high-school. i realize thats not college level stuff, but we thoroughly covered the chromosomes. you might check this out more and get back to us on it, cause unless some new discovery has happened in the last 23 years....

jeff, i have not been there when it occurred but i would think fishy is a lot closer to the answer than you might think. if i am correct, then it would actually be a myriad of things or events that cause gays to actually chose gay over straight.

many men, are in denial, but its a fact that men usually understand men better than women do, if the conditions warranted it, some men might just be weak minded enuff to not only seek out the counsel of men, but want, (thru the hormonal imbalances of puberty, and ALL the confusing things puberty brings with it), more than just counseling.

before puberty, i doubt that there is any way to show/prove/identify that a child will eventually turn gay, but during puberty, thats a whole different matter.

could this explain all? i doubt it, but i do know, children are very impressionable, and forgetful as well. most will not remember when this "gay" transition occurred, they will only remember it as "ALWAYS"

we all know, that in some shocking circumstances the mind defends itself, by forgetting, this might also attribute.. i am only speculating cause i cannot, and will not attempt to think like a gay, the thought of being aroused by my own sex, is worse than appalling so that precludes it, even were i able to force the thought.

how are gays taught? well jeff i reckon you will 1st need to find some, preferably more than just one, that will admit they were enticed (NOT COERCED as andrew would lead you all to believe ) and ask them to tell you. only in this way will you know, what it takes to make men, seek out the companionship of other men. if all gays deny they were taught, then all i can say is, it must have been one awful experience, to have caused them all to forget the event..

theres your answer jeff, take it, or leave it, but its the only one you will receive from this camper.

what kind of meaningful answer can you get to a question like

Orph, define "being gay" for us, I'm confused about your bisexual point..?

i am about to leave for kentucky, if you guys want to continue being close minded, about your open-minded views, you will either have to wait for my return, or continue without me.

just bare in mind, if you continue, nothing you post will alter my mind, so chose your wording as best you can to reflect upon yourself, continuing to disregard my opinion as valid, only reinforces my view of not taking you seriously... disagree, but don't do so in a way that discounts my view as wrong. unless you are omniscient, i doubt any of you know for certain i am indeed incorrect.

i would like to point out, that although i am not privy to the entire world, my small piece of it has many whom share my views on this topic, (the marriage issue)

anywho's

be good.