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Posted by Gwil on Sat Mar 13th at 5:29pm 2004


exactly orph, its rubbish ok it wasnt true quoting, more paraphrasing but im boiling down how your sentences come across and the whole ridiculousness of it all!

Crono: homosexuality/the debate of issues relating to is always counterproductive

but agreed, yes to civil services for homosexual couples!

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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 5:32pm 2004


? posted by Gwil

i dont agree with same sex couples being able to raise children from an early age though, simply because the child will probably be bullied to suicide :/

see, this is where i disagree, people have had to deal with this with interracial offspring for ages, and the suicide rate doesn't increase with such conditions.

it isn't the gays raising children thats an issue with most straight people, its the "passing on" of the life style thats so frowned upon.

the issue as i see it, is not so much of straight people in their box as monkee said, but the gays attempting to batter theirs down.. they created their box we did not put them inside it.

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Posted by Gwil on Sat Mar 13th at 5:35pm 2004


That too Orph, but you think about it - as soon as the rest of the kids at school/in the neighbourhood find out little Jimmy has 2 Dads, or 2 Mums and that they are "fagots, queers" etc, his life will be a living hell...

plus you miss out on all the natural motherly bonds and balanced parenting as well like you say

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Posted by Leperous on Sat Mar 13th at 5:35pm 2004


Yes, because obviously single parent families always work and have a higher success rate than 'normal' mum/dad families!



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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Sat Mar 13th at 5:37pm 2004


throughout history. children learn from their parents. you no doubt tell your kids things others do not agree with. A straight couple may tell their children being gay is wrong & no bloody doubt, thousands do.

Would the hitler youth have existed if theyd not grown up as little hitlers, being taught by their parents that thats how they have to be?

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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 5:38pm 2004


i need to run for a while, but i wanted to add, that in spite of the fact that some of my opinions seem to directly contradict themselves, they in fact do not..

my priority system separates all of them..

i make sacrifices for my children, and grand children, they are my #1 priority. i extend that to other children as well, they come before many of my decisions..

its why i hate gays, but see nothing wrong with them adopting children if they behave themselves.. children must have a home, and thats all important IMO

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Posted by Archaic on Sat Mar 13th at 5:39pm 2004


I say let em do what they want. I could care less. In fact, let's throw all of the homo's & lesbo's a huge party. We could get some of that Jonestown coolade to serve! Ya that's the ticket.

Actually what gripes me is to hear gays whine about gay rights. There is no such thing. There are human rights...period!
Sorry, no "special" considerations for ANYONE. Gays should all be treated the same, although I don't think we have enough whips at the time of this writing.

Seriously, I'm not serious, but the coolade still sounds like a good idea.




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Posted by Gwil on Sat Mar 13th at 5:39pm 2004


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Yes, because obviously single parent families always work and have a higher success rate than 'normal' mum/dad families!

Thats not the point, i'm just saying it's not fair to put children into an environment which is more than likely going to be counterproductive for them when they start interacting with society.

It's got nothing to do with the sexuality of the parent or the ability of the parent, more so to do with the attitudes of society/education/"straight" parents toward homosexuality.

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Posted by Jinx on Sat Mar 13th at 5:41pm 2004


Orph's kids are going to get their asses kicked for being stupid little homophobes





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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Sat Mar 13th at 5:43pm 2004


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see, this is where i disagree, people have had to deal with this with interracial offspring for ages, and the suicide rate doesn't increase with such conditions.


Interracial couples are now accepted and not seen as creating a breed of mongrels or whatever excuse people had for not liking them in the past. Homosexuals are still actively persecuted much more widely - racism still exists, of course, but since the civil rights movement people have found other groupings within society to try and alienate and destroy.

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it isn't the gays raising children thats an issue with most straight people, its the "passing on" of the life style thats so frowned upon.


Wait, since when is homosexuality 'passed on' or 'contagious' or anything of the sort? Oh, wait, it isn't. Nevermind.

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the issue as i see it, is not so much of straight people in their box as monkee said, but the gays attempting to batter theirs down.. they created their box we did not put them inside it


And those bastard freed slaves in the 1860s didn't just go get jobs and go to school and quickly rise to the top of society. Nope, they just slunk around at the bottom because that's where they wanted to be.

Bulls**t. That's an exagerrated example, but when society sees someone different from the accepted 'norm,' society blocks them out. It has happened for millennia - race, ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation (note the use of the word 'orientation' instead of 'preference'), economic class, political party, whatever the hell you can think of - and will continue to happen into the future. Society grows when it rights itself and moves to eliminate these injustices - emancipation, women's suffrage, the civil rights movement. It's not a perfect process, and there will always be feelings of discomfort or hate for those someone is not familiar with or afraid of, but it's how we make progress. The only harm being done to society is not from those the mainstream society fears, but from those who through their efforts, intentional or not, widen the gap between fellow human beings. [addsig]




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 5:45pm 2004


? posted by Jinx

Orph's kids are going to get their asses kicked for being stupid little homophobes

of course they will, but no more so than being different in any other respect.

i was tiny for a child, and got all the perks of being so.. but the fact remained, i became a track star sprint champion by jr high, i turned my disadvantage of getting stomped daily to my advantage.

the point is jinxy, i serious doubt they will be more picked on for it.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Sat Mar 13th at 5:46pm 2004


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Actually what gripes me is to hear gays whine about gay rights. There is no such thing. There are human rights...period!


You're absolutely right. "gay rights" or "women's rights" or whatever else are just means of saying that the rights of those groups should be the same as any other human being, not pushed beyond. It's not a matter of saying "give us more rights," but rather, "we're behind, let us catch up!" [addsig]




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 5:51pm 2004


? posted by KungFuSquirrel
The only harm being done to society is not from those the mainstream society fears, but from those who through their efforts, intentional or not, widen the gap between fellow human beings.

uhh, if thats what i am doing here at snarkpit, i apologies.

i do not want to sway anyone to my ways... i thought we were stating our opinions here... if somehow i am corrupting, or perpetuating my archaic thinking.. i will bow out from this discussion..

my apologies gents... please do not allow my small mind to alter your futures, one i will prolly not share since the world is wandering away from my stereotypical thinking.

/me departs ashamed.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Sat Mar 13th at 5:53pm 2004


I mean on a much grander scale, within society as a whole, and in no way directly aimed at you. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 5:57pm 2004


? posted by KungFuSquirrel
I mean on a much grander scale, within society as a whole, and in no way directly aimed at you.

none the less, some might share the concept and apply it accordingly..

i think i have stated my views enuff, and will only alienate myself more by expanding on them..

thanx for the wake-up call andrew..

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Posted by Jinx on Sat Mar 13th at 5:58pm 2004


? posted by Orpheus

"i hate gays"

New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal

[edit] omigod, this topic is FLAMING





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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 6:12pm 2004


? posted by Jinx

New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal

that jinx, is a poor joke indeed :/

? posted by Orpheus

, and will only alienate myself more by expanding on them..

see, i confess my viewpoint and drop one whole 10th of a rating point.. that in itself is no issue, but when divided 54 ways, it means a lot.

i must truly have upset someone today.

people, you must really separate yourselves from what you hear here at snarkpit, and your feelings of the place, never allow your feelings to decide how you vote.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Sat Mar 13th at 6:16pm 2004


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i think i have stated my views enuff, and will only alienate myself more by expanding on them..

thanx for the wake-up call andrew..


Well, Orph, as much as many of us here may disagree with your views, the sad fact is there are people out there far far worse than you could possibly manage. It's one thing to have opinionated views, and it's another entirely to go out there with the intent to hurt (in whatever sense of the word may apply) those your views are towards, which I strongly doubt that you would actively do. That is a far larger problem than any single opinion or view could ever be. [addsig]




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 6:51pm 2004


andrew, i am not sure exactly how long snarkpit has been up, but i have been here almost as long, and i do not think it possible for me to have been acting all this time.

i do come here to be sociable sure, but my main goal is to be helpful.

for the record tho jinxy, the words "hate gays" you quoted, is on par with someone saying "i hate spinach" i doubt they will run out and slash/burn all farms producing the crop, nor will i go out and maim all gays i can locate.

the word hate means many things to many people, but it truly, best describes my feelings about the subject, when i think about it at all. :/

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Posted by Smoke on Sat Mar 13th at 7:14pm 2004


In Ontario gay marriage has been legal for a while and the only people who seem to care are gay, because it just doesn't affect anybody else. Now if they would just legalize pot. We can all thank G.W. Bush for putting my field of greens on hold. He thought if Canada legalized it, we would just end up smuggling it across the border, not like people don't anyways, but he pressured the Canadian government with talks of increased border restrictions a screwed all are hopes, and the fun loving hippys to. The Bastard.




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