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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 7:29pm 2004
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| drugs affect other people because like drink they often make the user act different. |
huh?!?!
i assume that made sense, but it escapes me bud.
anywho's i went thru a small phase of the "drug" thing when i was a teen, ended abruptly when i got married, but i do know a bit about it.
pot IMO should not be legalized, but for no other reason than if it is, it would take the money the grower now makes by himself, and make it taxable by the government, and i detest the concepts of taxation.
pot, like alcohol, if used responsibly, can be considered as one and the same i guess, DUI and DWI are afterall, two great ways to get one self killed :/
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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Sat Mar 13th at 7:39pm 2004
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 7:43pm 2004
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| They both often end up with people getting beaten up orph. Its disgusting & nobody should have to suffer it. |
ahh, you went off on a completely different tangent, no wonder i was lost.. i thought we were discussing the legality issues again, not beating people up.
i hope, all your thinking is not clouded by thoughts of people being hurt, cause many of us dislike gays whole heartedly, but would never stoop to beating one up.
convictions as strong as mine do not have to involve pain.
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Posted by SuperCrazy on Sat Mar 13th at 7:48pm 2004
Posted by Skeletor on Sat Mar 13th at 7:51pm 2004
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I believe that any kind of gay action is expressly forbidden by the bible, so basically any 'holy' marriage is wrong, and priests (including anglican ones.. However, christians don't 'own' marriage, like they don't 'own' Christmas any more. I'm not against some gay marriage- I personally find it pretty revolting though, but hey, I'm allowed my own opinions- but I think it's wrong to bring up a child within such a relationship (gay or lesbian). Kids need stability and the '2 sides' like that when they grow up, and you're living in a pretty sorry culture if you don't need that any more. And are these states *allowed* to legalise it in this way? I hope they're not being completely irresponsible. |
What about the rising number of sngle mothers or single fathers? These children don't get two sides either. So I don't think the problem is with the gay couples, but with people in general.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 7:55pm 2004
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| People just need to stop trying to control other people's lives. I don't care if it's drugs, same-sex marriage, whatever. The government shouldn't have any say in the actions of an individual unless they infringe on another's rights. |
but SC, where exactly does one draw that line?
i mean seriously, the only thing i hate more than gays are cell phones, but people always tell me to mind my own business about those two, in spite of the fact that they do indeed infringe on my rights to drive on safe highways.
some people do not understand the distinction between the two, rights and imagined rights.
i agree that in theory, gays do no damage other than to themselves, but the fact is, some do hurt children, no more so than than supposed normal people do, (if you could consider anyone who hurts children to be normal).. anywhos... here i am preaching again.. will i never learn. 
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Posted by SuperCrazy on Sat Mar 13th at 8:04pm 2004
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but SC, where exactly does one draw that line? i mean seriously, the only thing i hate more than gays are cell phones, but people always tell me to mind my own business about those two, in spite of the fact that they do indeed infringe on my rights to drive on safe highways. some people do not understand the distinction between the two, rights and imagined rights. i agree that in theory, gays do no damage other than to themselves, but the fact is, some do hurt children, no more so than than supposed normal people do, (if you could consider anyone who hurts children to be normal).. anywhos... here i am preaching again.. will i never learn. |
Highways are property of the state and use of them is a privilege, so the state can create whatever laws it feels are necessary regarding their use. Banning use of cell phones on public roads could be justified.
I agree that in some cases a line should probably be drawn. People probably shouldn't have rocket launchers and tanks, for instance. This is a problem with taking a philosophical position and trying to apply it to pragmatic matters - In reality, things aren't quite as idealistic. I think the line is somewhere far beyond marijuana and allowing gay couples to have equal rights though.
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 8:06pm 2004
that SC was very well put, i agree 100% on all counts, but the fact remains, some feel otherwise, and would fight just as strongly about retaining their phones.
indeed, i do like how you posed your thoughts..
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Posted by R@lph VViggum on Sat Mar 13th at 8:09pm 2004
We've talked about this in my History class and we all have found out that most people who are disapproving it are "older" people. Why? Because people weren't as open about their sexuality then as they are now. I know a lot of gay people in my school, they are just like everyone else and they shouldn't be thought less. If it doesn't effect others besides those getting married I don't see why not. Making laws against it is really opinionated, like Lep said marriage isn't owned by Christians.
Seperation of Chruch and State.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 8:13pm 2004
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We've talked about this in my History class and we all have found out that most people who are disapproving it are "older" people. Why? Because people weren't as open about their sexuality then as they are now. |
either your teacher is your age too, or lived in a hut during the 60's cause sex was far more open then than even now..
you might have your teachers credentials checked out, cause if he/she is remiss in this, then you might not be getting the best education you deserve.
for the record, i disagreed with the 60's outlook on sex too, for my own reasons of course.
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Posted by Cassius on Sat Mar 13th at 8:17pm 2004
Stop here for a second. Thought is impossible without generalization, that's just the way it works. I will make differentiation and exception where doing so is the result of understanding, but without that, no.
Also, ideas and objects are only as evil as how they are used. There is no such thing as a gun that shoots people or a knife that cuts people; these things are only good or bad in different hands. If the American public was truly more concerned with pacifist ideals, which I hope it never is, then we probably would not be shooting eachother no matter how many guns we had.
For this same reason, I do not try and crusade against homophobia or racism so long as they only exist in people's heads. Only when they materialize in law or behavior are they actually evil, but mind control is equally wrong, no matter how misguided the idea that you want to stomp out. Thus, Orph's ideas cannot possibly be evil, because he has never actually hurt anybody.
Supercrazy, in life it is totally impossible to be objective; you always effect your world no matter what you do. Like Orph says, where do you draw the line? Since the law, especially in America, now caters to negative emotions, the fact that gay marriage exists can be and is very upsetting to people simply because it exists.
Posted by Smoke on Sat Mar 13th at 8:19pm 2004
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pot IMO should not be legalized, but for no other reason than if it is, it would take the money the grower now makes by himself, and make it taxable by the government, and i detest the concepts of taxation. pot, like alcohol, if used responsibly, can be considered as one and the same i guess, DUI and DWI are afterall, two great ways to get one self killed :/ |
Pot should be legalized, but for no other reason than if it is, it would take the money that orgainized crime now makes and uses to beat, murder and be just plain nasty, and make it taxable by the government to fund programs such as free medical care, schools, colleges, and University's. On top of that the poor mid west farmers will be able to actually make some money producing and growing a crop that is worth $2000/pound compared to corn $2/pound. Not to mention it would stop the rape of this worlds natural resources to make paper, cotton, etc, because pot grows 20 ft in four month's outside, is perfect to make paper, and textiles, on top of that it doesn't require chemicals to: bleach the paper pulp and cotton, or chemicals to make polyester, and other synthetic fibers, that strangely enough all come from the same company: Dupont, the company that back in the day, lobbied the government, and spent millions of dollars to make pot illegal. Why you ask, because if it was legal, Dupont would stand to lose billions, and be out of business along with the major cotton producers that became so powerful through the use of slave labour. Before the 1920's. It was illegal not to grow pot. You had to support the war effort, pot was used for everything, as well as a great way to relax.
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Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 13th at 8:24pm 2004
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but SC, where exactly does one draw that line? i mean seriously, the only thing i hate more than gays are cell phones, but people always tell me to mind my own business about those two, in spite of the fact that they do indeed infringe on my rights to drive on safe highways. some people do not understand the distinction between the two, rights and imagined rights. i agree that in theory, gays do no damage other than to themselves, but the fact is, some do hurt children, no more so than than supposed normal people do, (if you could consider anyone who hurts children to be normal).. anywhos... here i am preaching again.. will i never learn.
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Hey....what the. I when I went to bed there were 4 replies. Now there are 69.
Geez...anyway.
Orph. Dude, I talk on my phone sometimes for short periods of times on the highway. However, I'm set on 100X caution mode when I do that. I've noticed that, most people are assholes and don't really give a s**t about you. Individuals make everything into a competition and a race. Such as someone in a minivan speeding up getting in front of you, causing you to slam on your breaks, because they would have hit you otherwise, then have them taking the first right hand turn......does that make sense to you? Not to me. Anyway, I'm actually embarrassed to use my cell phone in public sometimes, because I think it's rude and disrespectful to other individuals around me who don't want to hear me talking to someone else. But as to your opinions on gays.......whoa dude.......that's rather disturbing that you would divorce your wife if gays got marriage rights.
In all actuality you're supporting my argument by saying that. My whole point was that marriage doesn't have the religious meaning it once did. At least not in the United States. This started basically when you could get divorced. What does a marriage mean if you're able to divorce that person and cut all ties with in the following month?
Obviously, I've personally come to think of marriage as a bond and not the physical act of going to an alter. But, most Americans don't share my opinion.
Take for instance my girlfriends parents. First of all they hate me. Yes, someone hates me. I guarantee you they would string me up in a nuce if they could. Why, you ask? Because they found a very personal letter I sent to my girlfriend. Was it their business, hell no. From a legal standpoint, can they REALLY intervene.......no. I sent her the letter when she was 19. However, they sit there judging me, they claim to be born again Christians, by the way. Not to mention, her father has been married before, had another family. Her mother was married before, with another family. And they have the audacity to tell me that I don't love their daughter, because I don't know what it is. I would ask them, if I wanted to be disrespectful, why do you aesthetically hold marriage so highly if you don't REALLY respect its principles and meaning. I know they wouldn't be able to answer the question. As would most of these individuals bashing gay marriage. Marriage isn't a holy union anymore. Like I said, it really is a legal binding agreement. Now what you feel for the other person is something completely different. If you call that marriage, then most gays are already married. It's all a matter of opinion I suppose.
But hot damn, 5 pages with no flaming
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 8:24pm 2004
so few people actually take the time to type an agreement to my words, that its truly shocking when i read it, and i might add, makes it all the more special..
i would like to say, that i have never advocated the thought police mentality, you cannot be held accountable for thinking stuff.
everyone has thought, "i'd like to kill so and so" some time or another, but should they be charged for attempted murder?
all males think about screwing someone (be is hetero, or homo sex) should they be charged with attempted rape?
thought police, are the worse kind of crimes against ones rights. but i fear, a few here at snarkpit suffer this malady.
thanx for the kind words cass ![]()
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Posted by Skeletor on Sat Mar 13th at 8:28pm 2004
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| Seriously, I'm not serious, but the coolade still sounds like a good idea. |
Hooray for oxymoronic statements!
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Posted by SuperCrazy on Sat Mar 13th at 8:34pm 2004
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Supercrazy, in life it is totally impossible to be objective; you always effect your world no matter what you do. Like Orph says, where do you draw the line? Since the law, especially in America, now caters to negative emotions, the fact that gay marriage exists can be and is very upsetting to people simply because it exists. |
I acknowledged this in my second post. I'm not sure exactly where the line goes, but I doubt a society that approaches this hypothetical line will exist during my lifetime, so I'm not terribly concerned about it.
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On top of that the poor mid west farmers will be able to actually make some money producing and growing a crop that is worth $2000/pound compared to corn $2/pound. |
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 8:36pm 2004
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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sat Mar 13th at 8:46pm 2004
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| beside, the security a farmer would need to secure his crop from theft, would seriously offset his profit margin |
pure gold
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Posted by Smoke on Sat Mar 13th at 8:55pm 2004
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