Heh, I love harrasing you guys about this
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Re: Heh, I love harrasing you guys about this
Posted by Wild Card on Sat Mar 13th at 2:55pm 2004


Alright, here's the beef.... again

AMD Duron 800
Abit NF7-S motherboard
Crucial 256mb DDR 333
Jaton GeForce4 64mb MX440 w/TV out PCI
Western Digital 18.9gig 7200rpm HDD
LG 52x24x52x /16x CD-RW/DVD combo
Windows ME

I have been playing some games recently and well, I think I need an upgrade somewhere. Mind you cash is limited.

When I run Splinter Cell at 640*480 res with almost everything medium, the game lags, but the HDD red light dosent come on, so I dont think its a lack of memory there. Probably CPU power. Also, the sound sometimes gets choppy. the NF7-S mobo comes with NForce integrated sound so I think again the lower CPU is causing the sound to be choppy.

Breed runs laggy and the HDD light is constantly on, need more ram? The minimum for that game is a 32mb vid card, recommended 64, which is what I have. I just have it PCI instead of AGP.

As well, watching DVD's sometimes the movie freezes for like 2 to 5 seconds before resuming.

UT (original) dosent seem to have a problem, and CS with RU4.0 runs fine. (I use bots, I dont have the internet)

VHE takes a while to load though. between 10 and 15 seconds.

I was thinking about getting:
AMD Athlon XP 2000+ 266FSB (Retail) or
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 333FSB (BARTON BOXED)

There is a price difference of about 40$ between each. So I am wondering if its really worth the extra 40 to go with the 2500+. I also want to get a second stick of ram. And if I get a new CPU, I need a new PSU with the second power connector to the mobo, the 4 pin one.

By the way: whats the difference between barton boxed and retail?

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Re: Heh, I love harrasing you guys about this
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 3:01pm 2004


last time you didn't listen very well..

good luck this time.

i bet if you dig up your old thread, all that advice still holds true.

BTW the web address is still.. www.pricewatch.com and i found out, they WILL send ups to canada.. so stop arguing asswipe

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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sat Mar 13th at 3:02pm 2004


If you want your computer to last longer, get the 2500. If you don't mind shelling more cash out for an upgrade sooner than if you got the 2500, get the 2000. Your video card should be upgraded after that, the MX series is just crap nowadays (hell, it was crap when it was released ), but video cards tend to be expensive, so it's your call.

And you don't have the internet? So what, you post in these forums using some sort of telekenisis? [addsig]




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Posted by Wild Card on Sat Mar 13th at 3:11pm 2004


Actually Orph, I was not only just reading my previous thread, but I also was looking at pricewatch Now I need to figure out how to work that thing, lol. Well, Im looking around. Whats there delivery times anyways?

I have 3 working computers in my house (I say 3 because I have 3 others in my room that are in pieces)

2 are downstairs hooked up to a hub with DSL connection, the third is in my room so I cant get the internet, mostly cause my parents wont let me have it.

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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 3:22pm 2004


pricewatch is just a repository of pc part manufacturers, just look in each categories of the pieces you have interest in.

the link will take you to people whom will sell you the part at the price quoted.

usually there is a phone number to contact with, but i have use emails as well if it were not a 1-800 number.

delivery turn around times is as long as the mail takes in your area to go both ways, plus construction time at the source.

my times have been 10 days to 2 weeks.

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Re: Heh, I love harrasing you guys about this
Posted by Wild Card on Sat Mar 13th at 3:26pm 2004


Well, I found this:

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120728&Category_Code=amdxp

I would save me 30 bucks, if theres no shipping fee. 30$ at one store, my friend is doing co-op and can get 10% off, dont know what that ammounts to though.

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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 3:31pm 2004


thats not pricewatch

and get the boxed version, usually it will have a cooling fan already mounted..

[edit] after looking at pricewatch, your price seems fair..

at pricewatch, press cpu, then search out 2500 barton

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Re: Heh, I love harrasing you guys about this
Posted by Wild Card on Sat Mar 13th at 3:33pm 2004


I found it off price watch as for a CPU fan, I already have a volcano 8 slim rated up to AMD 2800+. Its kinda noisy, but I dont mind... too much. [addsig]



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Re: Heh, I love harrasing you guys about this
Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 13th at 8:41pm 2004


kay. if you want stuff to run fast upgrade memory. 256mb of ram really isn't a lot. It probably is getting to a point where your CPU is dragging your system down, but that's only because you don't have a great deal of RAM or video RAM. Meaning the video card is slacking off and making the processor do it's work (Which is normal) I'd suggest getting a new processor....you don't need anything as high as 2ghz. I'd suggest the cheapest one, you wont notice a differenece between a 2ghz, 2.1ghz, or a 2.2ghz. You'd have to upgrade your video and ram for them to be utilized. Meaning, there's a good change your system would still run slow with a 2ghz processor. Because your ram and video isn't too grand. For games it's mostly the video. But, again, it's up to you. I suppose it would be wise to get a faster processor, but it wont be doing much.


[EDIT]
Dude, change your OS, ME is the worst OS ever. Literally.

It doesn't reconize above 512mb of ram. And has HORRIBLE memory utilization. I bet if you just changed your OS to XP Pro you'd be able to play your games just fine with the hardware you already have. Same goes with DVD's ME has problems with them.

ew....ME.......
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Posted by Myrk- on Sat Mar 13th at 10:36pm 2004


New mobo, Processor and Ram (if a newer processor fits your current mobo then do that maybe....)

I suggest for Mobo (if your sticking with AMD) the A7V600 motherboard, has built in 5.1 sound, gigabit lan, 400 speed CPU slot thingy and takes a loada Ram, but make sure you get only Ram they say to get.... You should really be looking at an AMD 2000XP or greater nowadays, and 512Mb DDR if you want to stay in the gaming scene for future games.

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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 10:39pm 2004


? posted by Crono


[EDIT]
Dude, change your OS, ME is the worst OS ever. Literally.


ew....ME.......
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wildcard indeed has access to win 2000 pro, but the silly s**t is to forking lazy to use it.. in spite of the fact that his recent upgrade offered him a chance at a clean format.

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Re: Heh, I love harrasing you guys about this
Posted by Myrk- on Sat Mar 13th at 10:44pm 2004


I reformat nowadays every 3-4 months... Only the windows drive though, cleans out all the s**t it accumulates, and every time you do it you get quicker at it [addsig]



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Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Mar 13th at 10:48pm 2004


*tsk *tsk

The best parts to upgrade are CPU, Motherboard, Video Card and OS. 256MB of RAM is fine as long as you don't have lots of processes or spyware on your computer. 512 is better in all aspects and seems to be the bar for todays computers. You can get a 2500+ for about 15-20 bucks more than a 2000+ and it's a lot better in every aspect. And so far as I know retail and boxed are the same thing...no CPU comes with the heatsink attached...it just doesn't make sense. Volcano fans are noisy and only perform okay. I would imagine you could get a pretty good upgrade for that system for about 300-400 CDN.

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Posted by Myrk- on Sat Mar 13th at 10:50pm 2004


Canadian Dollars?! Nobody uses that worthless money lol! [addsig]



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Re: Heh, I love harrasing you guys about this
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 10:54pm 2004


? posted by Gorbachev

And so far as I know retail and boxed are the same thing...no CPU comes with the heatsink attached...it just doesn't make sense.

*shakes head sadly*

do you guys intend to insult? or just think i make this s**t up to sound important?

THIS link should take you to a site that sells cpu's with the associated cooling fans..

geeze guys, if you are gonna call me a liar, at least pick something important..

*mumbles to self*

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Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Mar 13th at 11:44pm 2004


Attached and boxed together are a different thing...I know they come with retail stock heatsink/fan combos. I happen to have a bunch. I'm knowledged in computer parts and computers in general, next year I'm doing more technician studies at a technical institute. I was just clarifying that they:

a) Don't sell OEM processors these days (at a retail shop).
b) Stock cooling is packaged along with, but not attached.
c) Boxed and retail *should* be the exact same thing, just different wording.

Generally Orph you won't have to tell me about computer parts. I spend most of my time around them, a lot of pricematch sites and stuff aren't the best place to go. Shopping around is the best bet though, you never know.

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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 13th at 11:47pm 2004


my apologies then gorby, i am only just getting into this field..

my bad

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Posted by Wild Card on Sat Mar 13th at 11:52pm 2004


Ok, so how does an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ and a second chip of 256mb DDR 2700 sound? I checked out some site, I can get it for 200$ Canadian. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Mar 14th at 12:07am 2004


? posted by Wild Card
Ok, so how does an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ and a second chip of 256mb DDR 2700 sound? I checked out some site, I can get it for 200$ Canadian.

my choice bud, for what its worth,

1) new 2500

2) new video card, your pci card is causing much more harm than the 256 ram is. even if you only got the agp version of your current card, you would notice a big difference.

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Posted by Gorbachev on Sun Mar 14th at 12:25am 2004


My suggestion is similar to Orph's. As an example from www.ncix.com (Canadian supplier, local to me, but I know they ship all over the country) I can give you a code to get a 2500+ for $110.

I also forward the notion that you get an AGP video card if you have the ability, any AGP will be greater than plain ol' PCI. If you're really not interested in paying a whole lot then get something like a GF4MX as it's cheapest AGP but okay performer you'll get for low cost. Don't get any FX junk though, if you're getting a higher up card go with an ATI. Nvidia was great in the past, but for today's cards go for ATI.

As for the RAM, you can get a stick of 256 for about 50-60. Since crucial is a fairly generic type. I recommend getting 3200 as it's usually cheaper and would be more compatable later on too. (I have a setup of 256 2700 and 256 3200 in Micron/Crucial on this computer right now) It'll step down, but you can always go with a different stick of 3200 down the road. They're the same price almost always, so go with the faster.

[edit] And Orph, don't worry about it, those are easy misconceptions, I'm just here to help. [/edit]

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