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Posted by $loth on Tue Mar 16th at 4:04pm 2004


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TomsHardware.com overclocked a processor to 5 Ghz, by cooling with liquid nitrogen:

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Yea I saw that, it was really cool.

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pun intended?

*incert cheezy drum sound to worse pun ever here*

damnit now I get it Wow Im slow.

I don't

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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Mar 16th at 4:11pm 2004


liquid nitro is cold as f**k. Hense when I said cool, jeff commented. I meant cool as in... well... cool. But Jeff decided to take it as cool = cold. [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Tue Mar 16th at 5:47pm 2004


I doubt even liquid helium would be cold enough to stop conduction in most semi conductors, and it's certainly not cold enough for bose-einstein condensates. think mili kelvins there.

Semi conductors depend on a small energy gap between the valence and conduction bands typicalybetween 2 and 0.5 eV. Think of these as two seperate energy levels which electrons can occupy. Applying a small voltage to the material overcomes this gap and promotes electrons to the conduction band allowing electricity to flow. If the thermal energy was high enough to to promote the electrons without an applied voltage, then the material would be a conductor, not a semi conductor. You can calculate the thermal energy by the furmula E=kT where k is boltzmans constant and T is the temperature in kelvins. Hence you can find for yourself that at room temperature tha magnitude of thermal energy is only 0.026 eV, Hence thermal energy is NOT required for semiconduction.

Resistivity decreases with decreasing temperature due to the decreasing entropy of the system. Basicly this means, that if the atoms in the crystal are vibrateing less electrons are less likely to collide with them.

Conduction drops to zero at zero kelvin, yes. This is because all of the electrons are locked into the valence band. however I expect that by applying a voltage you are putting energy into the system and will heat it up just enough for cunduction. I'm not really sure what the actual behavior would be at 0 K, but that is a moot point as it is theoreticaly impossible to obtain absolute zero.

/Edit/ Okay, I just read fraggard's link. I think that is all pretty reliable information, but it doesn't adress my question of how the applied potential comes into play. I stand by what I said.

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Posted by fraggard on Tue Mar 16th at 6:17pm 2004


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however I expect that by applying a voltage you are putting energy into the system and will heat it up just enough for cunduction. I'm not really sure what the actual behavior would be at 0 K, but that is a moot point as it is theoreticaly impossible to obtain absolute zero.

When you apply that voltage, any temperature increase might actually be cancelled out by that liquid He/N running through, wouldn't it? I doubt it'd ever be allowed to reach a high enough temperature for electrons to make the jump across the band-gap in the forbidden energy zone.

Anyway, my knowledge is somewhat sketchy on this, So I asked around a bit and it turns out that I might be right after all... Apparently, they try to maintain temperatures between -10 and +20 C. But I can't call this info very reliable. /me will find out more by tomorrow.





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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Mar 16th at 6:45pm 2004


how the hell do you guys know all this s**t? [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Tue Mar 16th at 7:08pm 2004


I'm a chemistry major with a minor in physics WC. I've spent four years learning about all this stuff, although my solid-state physics knowledge is somewhat spotty. [addsig]



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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Mar 16th at 9:18pm 2004


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I'm a chemistry major with a minor in physics WC. I've spent four years learning about all this stuff, although my solid-state physics knowledge is somewhat spotty.

Im in grade 12...

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Posted by fraggard on Wed Mar 17th at 2:13am 2004


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Im in grade 12...

We had Solid State theory in grades 11 and 12 actually. So some of my knowledge is from there. Otherwise largely from my first year at the university.





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Posted by Wild Card on Wed Mar 17th at 2:31am 2004


The last science class I took was SBC3C meanning grade 11 bio college. Cant take science classes.

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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Mar 17th at 2:33am 2004


I've been kind of pissed about the lack of a propper solid state calss at my school. the closest I've gotten is Inorganic Chemistry, and band theory was only really a very small section in that class. of course since it's just a natural extension of MO theory I have a pretty solid base for understanding the bits and pieces I do see. I am however quite disgusted that the physics department does not offer a calss in solid-state physics, particularly in this day and age!!

Anyway WC. I get my bachelors in just a few months, so don't worry if I know a bit more about some things .

I should certainly hope I would!

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Posted by Wild Card on Wed Mar 17th at 2:36am 2004


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I should certainly hope I would!

The day I know more than you guys is well, the day cows fly.

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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Mar 17th at 2:41am 2004


Don't think of it that way WC. I cannot begin to coprehend how much I have learned in my time at the University. It's like you go wandering through school for the first 20 years of your life before you reach true understanding of anything. even the first two years at University are very turbid. Everery thing seems disconnected and not very usefull, but at some point you reach a "moment". You suddenly see how everything fits into a larger picture, and be able to understand things you never imagined being able to wrap you mind around.

This happend for me in the middle of my Junior year here. it's an increidble feeling.

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Posted by Wild Card on Wed Mar 17th at 3:11am 2004


The best feeling I've had was my first solo this summer. Sadly though, 2 idiot CI instructors trashed it since [addsig]



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Posted by Wild Card on Wed Mar 17th at 3:14am 2004


Ok, I bought the AMD Athlon 2500+ and a second stick of Crucial 256mb DDR 2700. Question, lol. When putting a new CPU, do I need to reformat? Cause I would think so, but nowhere does it mention it. [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Mar 17th at 4:05am 2004


I highly doubt you need to reformat. However, I know very little about building computers. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Wed Mar 17th at 5:21am 2004


Gave you a hefty answer in a pm, wc. Just kidding it's not that long.

Tracer, where are you graduating from?
My problem with most of the Physics, I don't have to take much of it, is with the way they introduce most of the subjects. It's kind of like, you sit there and learn it, in a terrible fasion (through work, not the -U kind though.) When they could have told you percicly what to use and when and why. In a very straight forward manner, I would understand, more so, of what I was actually doing. f**king PCC. lol Anyway.

I know the feeling you're describing. It started happening for me when I took my second Computer Architecture class. It was just kind of like "OH!" then connect whatever dots/light bulbs you'd like form there [addsig]




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Mar 17th at 5:29am 2004


Pacific University. Out in Forest Grove.

It sounds like you are suffering through a "workshop" physics class. A class where there is no lecture and you are suposed to muddle through the lab doing stupid experiments that teach you absolutly nothing.

Pacific uses the same format for gerneral physics. it is a horrible educational format, it makes it simply impossible to cover a reasonable ammount of material. the classes are just a painfull waste of time! Fortunatly the upper division physics classes are much better, and the Chemistry department is absolutly fantastic!

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Posted by Crono on Wed Mar 17th at 5:31am 2004


No, there's a lecture, a four hour one actually. Its just the way the book is set up. And the instructor, as cool and nice of a guy he is, just restates whats in the book. Do you see the infiite loop? (sorry, I had a Computer Science final today) On that note, I had an interesting conversation with a class-mate about how a CS student is essencially the human equivilent to the program stack lol. [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Mar 17th at 5:35am 2004


I really know nothing of CS.

When I transfered from PCC I was undecided as to whether I wanted to major in Chemistry or CS. Well, they assigned my a chemistry professor as my advisor, so... I'm a chem major and have never had a single CS class. I think it was a good "decision" though. honestly I'm quite unimpressed by most of the other departments at this school.

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Posted by scary_jeff on Wed Mar 17th at 10:13am 2004


You won't acheive anything by reinstalling windows just because you bought new memory and CPU. You don't gain much if it was a completely new PC apart from the hard drive.

That's assuming you have windows 2k/xp though. 9x and me are a lot less tolerant of things like that.





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