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Posted by Myrk- on Thu Mar 18th at 12:53pm 2004


Wait a sec, US own that crappy piece of land next to canada?! I thought Canada owned all that ex-Russian land (they bought it ages ago for like $1,000,000 didn't they?) [addsig]



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Posted by gimpinthesink on Thu Mar 18th at 1:00pm 2004


No the us has had it for 100 odd years [addsig]



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Posted by Gwil on Thu Mar 18th at 1:16pm 2004


Didnt the Soviet Union sell Alaska to the USA for like $50 million or something?

It was USSR to USA though... Canada keep themselves to themselves generally

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Posted by gimpinthesink on Thu Mar 18th at 1:20pm 2004


I dont think it was the bolchviks that sold it cos I think that the US got it neer the end of the 19th centuray [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Mar 18th at 1:21pm 2004


the USA got alaska from russia. for pocket change, something like 6 cents an acre [addsig]



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Posted by Cash Car Star on Thu Mar 18th at 10:47pm 2004


Seward's Folly, or Steward's, something like that. It came out cheaper than the Gadsen Pruchase; who knows why we spent so much on just a small portion of new mexico and arizona.

In the video games/car comparison - I don't think that programmers are intentionally creating inferior engines to sell more video games. In fact, it runs on a very fast cycle of obsolescence where the old technology is constantly being surpassed, thus prompting gamers to purchase new games. On the other hand, very few significant improvements have occured on car engines within the past twenty years to make them more fuel efficient or resistant to wear and tear so that they last longer - completely the opposite problem with very little obsolescence happening at all. In fact, due to the rise of SUV's, overall gas mileage for the entire US-purchased automobile fleet has been on the decline since 1987 (I did a report on this two weeks ago, the date is right).





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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri Mar 19th at 8:54am 2004


On fusion: >>

1. I think it is much further off as a commercial power source than 15 years. Yes ITER is a big step in the right direction, and they do expect it to exceed the break-even point, but I don't think it is considered to be a viable design. it is still just a research prototype.>>

2. There is absolutely no potential as far as I know for seriously destructive accidents with fusion plants. the amount of hydrogen being fused at any one time is far to little for a runaway reaction, and if containment failed, all that would happen is that parts of the reaction chamber would be vaporized by the escaping plasma. I'm pretty sure the fusion would cease almost instantly. This is in contrast with a fission plant where if the control system fails (impossible, or nearly so in an American design) the fuel can run away in a chain reaction.>>

Even if there was potential for an explosion A complete failure of one of these plants would be nowhere near as destructive as a small thermonuclear weapon in any case, and last time I checked, all those tests in the 50s and 60s did nothing more than vaporize a few islands and spread fallout over New Mexico and Nevada.... we still have an atmosphere.>>

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On Fuel Cells:>>

Basic thermodynamics: cars cannot use water for "fuel" there is no chemical energy to be had. You can electrolyze water and use the resulting hydrogen as fuel, however, this VERY inefficient process. People have been working for years to obtain efficient catalysts for this process and so far have met with only failure. However, even if this was efficient, you still have to get the energy from somewhere. You cannot get out more energy than you put in? there is nothing magic about fuel cells. Think of them as batteries which have a continuous flow of the required chemicals.>>

The main question for fuel cells becomes where do you get the fuel? If you reform petroleum to produce hydrogen or methanol they are no better than the systems we already have. They produce just as much CO2, although I suppose you might cut down on NOX emissions.>>

The only sensible solution is to produce the fuel from biological sources. if the fuel is made form corn or some such source, then any CO2 we put into the atmosphere is then taken out again by the plants which produce the fuel. this is sort of an ideal system, however Fuel Cell technology simply has not reached the point where they are viable for mass power production. The place you will see them first is as replacements for batteries. won?t it be fantastic when your laptop has essentially unlimited run time? Toshiba is supposed to introduce fuel cell powered models sometime next year

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Posted by DesPlesda on Fri Mar 19th at 9:45am 2004


A fuel cell for use as a battery replacement would be fantastic. The only question is reusability - would a fuel cell, like lithium-ion cells, suffer from a form of memory effect?



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Posted by Crono on Fri Mar 19th at 10:43am 2004


? quote:

cars cannot use water for "fuel" there is no chemical energy to be had. You can electrolyze water and use the resulting hydrogen as fuel, however, this VERY inefficient process. People have been working for years to obtain efficient catalysts for this process and so far have met with only failure. However, even if this was efficient, you still have to get the energy from somewhere. You cannot get out more energy than you put in? there is nothing magic about fuel cells. Think of them as batteries which have a continuous flow of the required chemicals


....that's why MIT was able to convert a focus into a hyrdogen fuel cell car which evaporated water for energy? Which wasn't as efficient as a current car, however it wasn't bad.

I never said there was anything magic about fuel cells lol.

I just think they're the most economiclly and echologically sounds answer for power we've had yet, even if it's not as efficient it is more renewable then oil. [addsig]




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Posted by Kain on Fri Mar 19th at 12:17pm 2004


? posted by Tracer Bullet

2. There is absolutely no potential as far as I know for seriously destructive accidents with fusion plants.

But what about nuclear wastes? I believe this is the greatest disadvantage of nuclear power; leaving radioactive material, who stay like that for maybe a hundred years. You can get cancer if you touch this stuff...

I think they should exclusively use wind mills and solar energy. We'd have a cleaner planet... but maybe a slower one.





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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri Mar 19th at 3:37pm 2004


The most dangerous waste fusion produces is tritium (H-3) which has a half-life of 12.3 years and can be used in further fusion. In addition tritium is a comercialy valueable substance in and of itself and decays into a stable isotope of helium, so even if you just had to store the stuff, it would become completely harmless within 120 years.

Fission plants on the other hand tend to produce long-lived high-level waste such as Pu-239 which has a halflife of 24,110 years. at this rate of decay you would need to store the stuff for ~240,000 years! an impossible feat for todays engineering practices.

If most radioactive waste from fission decayed within 100 years, it would be a nearly perfect energy source! that is an incredibly short period of time. Hence, Fusion is a perfect energy source from every point of view.

1. limitless fuel

2. zero polution

3. huge ammounts of energy per unit fuel

In fact, you would only need 437 metric tons of duterium to meet the worlds energy demand for a year.... that is absulutly awsome!

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Sorry for the attitude about fuel cells Crono. I have the sense that the general public has a terribly unrealisitc impression of how they work and what they are capable of. That little diatribe wasn't really directed at you.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Fri Mar 19th at 4:00pm 2004


What I really love is the paranoia about fuel cells induced by the Hindenburg. "OMG my car will explode!!!"

Damn the humanity anyway, it's not the same method of using hydrogen! We don't need to float our cars around though a helium filled car would make those long rides a joyous time... [addsig]




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri Mar 19th at 4:08pm 2004


Yes, and we don't coat our cars with rocket fuel the way the hindenberg was... [addsig]



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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Fri Mar 19th at 4:11pm 2004


Minor detail. We should, really. That'd make it go fast, right...? [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri Mar 19th at 4:19pm 2004


It would at least make fender-benders more interesting [addsig]




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