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Posted by Myrk- on Mon Mar 22nd at 11:34pm 2004

Well I just got round to playing HL2 alpha (if your gabe newell and reading then no I didn't play it or download it) and also Doom 3 beta 2 (better working alpha, if your John Carmack then same as with Gabe)...

Well anyways after playing both I have to say there is a clear winner in atmosphere, graphics and effects... Doom 3 kicks HL2's butt! HL2 is dissapointing, the videos look good but when you play you realise that its just HL1 with a higher poly count which they use up on larger maps, and some cool ragdoll physics. Doom 3 however... the lighting is amazing, the atmosphere scares me (especially with zombies getting back up and stuff) and its quite interactive.

Now you'll probably say Doom 3 runs like a man with no legs, but on my PC it runs pretty fine, only goes slow when I meet several enemies and have my torch on (real time lighting chews up your resources). HL2 runs perfectly smooth apart from at really complex areas (which I have to say arn't frequent).

All in all my vote goes to Doom 3 being better for Single Player, but for Multiplayer I think HL2 will be better purely on the ease to edit HL2.

Anyone here played Doom 3 Beta 2 and HL2 Alpha?

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Posted by Vash on Mon Mar 22nd at 11:35pm 2004

My Doom 3 never worked . Hl2 alpha is great, I had the 1000 uncompiled maps for awhile, but now my Alpha and such are all uninstalled. You can also play online with good `ol /connect . [addsig]



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Mon Mar 22nd at 11:53pm 2004

Hmm, judging games based on one leaked beta and another random collection of files isn't that wise. I think I know why Doom 3 seems better for you...

1. HL2 alpha is simply a collection of files and a compiled source engine. Some files are missing and outdated, especially textures, sounds, and a lot of the maps and models simply don't work because they're the wrong version. Some are also greatly unfinished. This is hardly a basis for saying HL2 is dissapointing.

2. Doom 3 Beta was designed to be shown off at E3, and thus, the enitre thing was supposed to reek of class. The HL2 alpha was just a leaked collection of files, and probably shouldn't even be called an alpha, seeing at least half of the files have outdated version numbers and thus don't work with the (obviously) seperately compiled source engine.

Both were cool insights into the games IMO, it's just one was a finished, complete package, and the other was just a few folders worth of material that was never meant to be seen and seems also to predate E3 (take a look at the E3 maps....bugs, bugs, bugs). Wait for the actual games to be released before passing judgement. What I saw of HL2 showed amazing potential, and Doom 3, while IMO doesn't quite stand up to the same potential I see in HL2, is certainly doing it's job right: scary as s**t. [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Mon Mar 22nd at 11:58pm 2004

I havent played yet, but I dont think that we should declare D3 or HL2 the best yet, i mean Im not saying that HL2 will be better, but your playing a code that is nearly a year old (was stolen a bit of time ago), for all we know HL2 isnt done yet, I also got this kinda response from someone who also played HL2, and he said that it didn't look done yet. And for all I know doom 3 is better, I wouldnt know I havent played either of them.

And myrk did you check out the physics??? Im sure this is where HL2 will rock Doom 3, not graphics/lighing wise, because just by the screen shots doom 3 looks amazing. So I guess what im trying to say here is lets not pass judgement yet, especially when the games havent even come out yet.

edit//: sorry I didnt see ur post before, and this was what I was saying also, HL2 isnt done yet.

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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:10am 2004

Well I didn't judge it in that way tbh. I looked alot at the graphical quality, textures, effects, models and stuff. Gameplay of Doom 3 is just a side effect that made me realise how amazing ID are at creeping me out in SP games lol!

Also physics are a bit better in Doom 3 in some places tbh. Crates falling look more authentic in Doom 3, although model physics in the HL2 alpha did come across as being better... still love taking out the zombies knee caps as they walk down stairs in Doom 3 though... oh yer

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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:10am 2004

Congrats, you've judged two games on versions that were never meant to be seen publicly. And I got yelled at for judging UT2k3 and U2 based on their demos, sheesh.



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:13am 2004

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Well I didn't judge it in that way tbh. I looked alot at the graphical quality, textures, effects, models and stuff. Gameplay of Doom 3 is just a side effect that made me realise how amazing ID are at creeping me out in SP games lol!


Why would you do that when at least 2/3rds of the files that should have been in the alpha were seemingly missing? [addsig]



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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:14am 2004

If you've played the HL2 alpha, you'll know that anything thats missing shows up with a big ERROR sign in the map, or no texture on the walls... [addsig]



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:15am 2004

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If you've played the HL2 alpha, you'll know that anything thats missing shows up with a big ERROR sign in the map, or no texture on the walls...


There are also sounds missing, as well as a lot of shaders not working. Lots of things that would have created an atmosphere were missing.

[EDIT]: Also, I'd like to add that some maps had zero textures, and a lot more had very little. [addsig]



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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:18am 2004

True, but cumon, what makes a better atmosphere? A crummy European city with some men with guns on it or a space station taken over by hell?

HL2 to me comes across as a lazy plot, the undertaking Doom 3 is taking is far greater than HL2. HL2 bought thier physics, Doom 3 made thier own. HL2 can just look at Rome or some European city and see the architecture and copy textures... I'm pretty sure there arnt many hell stricken space stations that ID could have taken textures from...

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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:23am 2004

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True, but cumon, what makes a better atmosphere? A crummy European city with some men with guns on it or a space station taken over by hell?

HL2 to me comes across as a lazy plot, the undertaking Doom 3 is taking is far greater than HL2. HL2 bought thier physics, Doom 3 made thier own. HL2 can just look at Rome or some European city and see the architecture and copy textures... I'm pretty sure there arnt many hell stricken space stations that ID could have taken textures from...


OK, now you're ignoring my initial point, which was:

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Hmm, judging games based on one leaked beta and another random collection of files isn't that wise. I think I know why Doom 3 seems better for you...


You're saying "space stations tend to be cooler than some Euorpean city, therefore Doom 3 is going to be a better game". Also, one of your arguments seem to be "well, iD made their own physics! Valve are LAZY!!" Does this make Doom 3 a better game? Calling Valve lazy when they spent 5 years on the game (over 3 years on the engine alone) isn't a good argument for whther a game is good or not. 'Id spent more time on textures because space stations don't exist", does not make it justified to judge a game based on something you weren't even meant to see in the first place. [addsig]



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Posted by R@lph VViggum on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:24am 2004

Though most of you have probably already seen this, thought it fit the topic.

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Posted by omegaslayer on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:25am 2004

? posted by Myrk-

HL2 bought thier physics, Doom 3 made thier own.

ummmmmm wrong, valve made the source engine, entirely them, the only thing valve bought from Id was the quake engine for HL1, if anything HL1 was really just to keep the gamming comunity satisfied while valve worked toward their real goal: making the source engine.

edit: thanks ralph this was going through my mind at the time.

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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:27am 2004

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ummmmmm wrong, valve made the source engine, entirely them, the only thing valve bought from Id was the quake engine for HL1, if anything HL1 was really just to keep the gamming comunity satisfied while valve worked toward their real goal: making the source engine.


Valve are using the Havok physics engine, so they didn't make that part themselves. But they did make the rest of the engine themselves. [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:31am 2004

True, but they didn't buy it form Id, they did with HL1, HL2 is really what valve was created for, valve just needed a temporary game before they released their real game.

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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:35am 2004

Ohohoho, but they didn't!

HL2 is a glorified HL1 engine. Coded from scratch but borrowing a hell of a lot of code from HL1. Most of it is pretty identical.

As for the argument of which is better, I think now its become more of a personal preference, but from what I've seen and played (not being biased as to gameplay)- Doom 3 does seem a lot better.

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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:35am 2004

I don't think he said they bought the physics from Id. [addsig]



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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:37am 2004

omega I think you've lost the plot... let me teach you it-

HL1 is Quake 1 with a couple of things changed.

HL2 is HL1 recoded.

HL2 bought Havoc Physics engine off Havoc. Same company sold the engine to Max Payne 2 and some other games.

Doom 3 is coded from scratch in every way.

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Posted by omegaslayer on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:40am 2004

? posted by Myrk-

HL2 is a glorified HL1 engine. Coded from scratch but borrowing a hell of a lot of code from HL1. Most of it is pretty identical.

Well if you think it is identicle to the HL1 engine, you are very wrong. It is very different, the physics is a big change for one, the lighting is doom 3's equal if not better, and there are many other things that the HL2 engine has that HL1 does not, so comparing the two is very wrong.

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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Mar 23rd at 12:45am 2004

Please... I have played the 2, you haven't. I've talked to someone who works with HL2 code, you haven't...

And stop with the physics lol, they bought it! They didn't make it!

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