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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Mar 25th at 2:24am 2004

*still giggling over the sig thing*

i know, go to bed orph.. I'm outta here.. be good all

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Posted by Crono on Thu Mar 25th at 2:48am 2004

I'd have to say I know quite a few females who're fine with computers. My girl friend plays computer games all when she can (aside from school and such), she can kick some ass in Ghost Recon ... so, I don't think she sucks at it lol.

Also, the instructor I've had for my computer science courses for the last two and a half years is a woman. The head of my CS department is a woman, and she has a PhD in CS.
Also, a friend of mine's girlfriend can kick his ass in Quake III . You gotta respect that (he's not a 'newbie' to say the least)

So, saying that most girls don't know anything about computers ... I don't know ... I know quite a few, however, there's also my mom and some of my friends's moms/sisters ... no offense to their inteligence or anything, but they're dunces on the computer ... I think it's because for the most part girls are afraid they'll break something ... too bad they never consider the fact that the computer they're using is running Windows (Sorry, I feel like giving MS a hard time today, mostly because of some events that happened with my computer last night GRRR). [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Thu Mar 25th at 2:51am 2004

Damn this is one funny thread

In defence of the other half of our species, I do know girls (at least two) who are quite comepetant with computers. my best friend is always throwing me off because she know so much. I naturaly assume that she is illiterate (it's the truest sterotype I've ever encountered) and then she comes up with things I didn't know!

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Posted by Gorbachev on Thu Mar 25th at 5:34am 2004

? posted by Crono
I'd have to say I know quite a few females who're fine with computers. My girl friend plays computer games all when she can (aside from school and such), she can kick some ass in Ghost Recon ... so, I don't think she sucks at it lol.

Also, the instructor I've had for my computer science courses for the last two and a half years is a woman. The head of my CS department is a woman, and she has a PhD in CS.
Also, a friend of mine's girlfriend can kick his ass in Quake III . You gotta respect that (he's not a 'newbie' to say the least)

So, saying that most girls don't know anything about computers ... I don't know ... I know quite a few, however, there's also my mom and some of my friends's moms/sisters ... no offense to their inteligence or anything, but they're dunces on the computer ... I think it's because for the most part girls are afraid they'll break something ... too bad they never consider the fact that the computer they're using is running Windows (Sorry, I feel like giving MS a hard time today, mostly because of some events that happened with my computer last night GRRR).

That also sort of shows how women tend to know one program (usually really well but still only one program.) It's like my friend's mom...she can code in about 4 languages, but still can hardly use the basic windows interface.

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Posted by diablo on Thu Mar 25th at 6:04am 2004

Girls are able to be good at computers, they just don't find them of interest as much as us guys do.

My girlfriend is quite good at computers, it's rather embarrassing when she pwns me in The Specialists.





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Posted by Crono on Thu Mar 25th at 7:08am 2004

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That also sort of shows how women tend to know one program (usually really well but still only one program.) It's like my friend's mom...she can code in about 4 languages, but still can hardly use the basic windows interface.


Yeah, I'm sure it's because she's uses nothing but Unix or a Macintosh. I know the instructors at my school however, can use Windows lol. I mean there's a reason why they're so against it. (Usually when you're very framilure with certain languages, when you see a program written with that language you can tell, by what is NOT working, as to why it isn't working.) [addsig]



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Posted by Andrei on Thu Mar 25th at 9:15am 2004

Well, i think the statistics are worth a million words. [addsig]



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Posted by scary_jeff on Thu Mar 25th at 9:51am 2004

It's stupid to say that girls aren't able to use computers as well as guys, but you can't argue with the idea that the average girls isn't as good with PCs as the average guy...

I know a couple of people who will disagree with any man vs women stereotype to the last, but in my view this is just crazy. I'm doing an engineering degree, and there are 2 girls on my course - the department by it's own admission slightly favours girls during the application process to try and get more in. I think it's fair to say 'in general, girls aren't as interested in doing an engineering degree as boys', but a couple of people I know would never let that go, they would keep syaing 'girls can be engineers just as good', totally ignoring what I'm actually saying.

To ignore the facts on the differences between men and women is just as bad as thinking the stereotypes apply to all.



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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Mar 25th at 10:31am 2004

stereotyping aside guys, it is a fact, that it is harder to motivate the female sex to computers, but i have noticed that the few whom do partake in it, excel beyond their counterparts in most cases. females tend to have more stick-toitiveness then males do.. i do not believe a female should ever be shown preferential treatment, JUST to motivate them, but more so allow the current females to coax others in instead. any system that shows preference to a minority group, is cheating everyone else in the group who worked hard to get where they are. i would rather not turn this into a debate, but i have seen this in workplaces, and strongly disagree with any system that practices this method. no one will ever work as hard at something GIVEN to them as they would if they EARNED it. [addsig]



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Posted by Cash Car Star on Thu Mar 25th at 10:42am 2004

Preferential treatment in being a bit less tight with the application requirements at an engineering with women has some benefits - almost every engineering school has a bit of a ratio problem that makes out of class activities that much more dull.



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Posted by scary_jeff on Thu Mar 25th at 10:46am 2004

I disagree with it to Orph. I don't see why people don't just leave it - if a group of people generally aren't as interested in something, then why push them into it? We don't have initiatives encouraging boys to do ballet or be more interested in ponies. I don't understand why people aren't happy to accept their differences in this case.



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Posted by 2dmin on Thu Mar 25th at 11:15am 2004

i know quite a few girls who are into computers, and play games 24/7 lol. but generally, girls think of computers as a communication and word processing tool.

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Posted by Cash Car Star on Thu Mar 25th at 11:44am 2004

I don't think in anyway it's pushing a group of people that don't want to do something into doing something (say studying engineering). It's letting more people from a certain group with the drive to do something get a chance at it. If your instructors are worth their weight, they should still be able to effectively teach. Besides, appropriate assessment in the admissions process is hardly an exact science as is. For example, if you simply counted extra-curriculars, girls on average may have less because there might have been less available sports teams. This is certainly changing now with laws forcing schools to spend equal amounts on mens and womens sports, but that's a possible affector.

Anyway, my arguments really only have any bearing in the college admissions process. Completely irrelevant to hobby demographics.





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Posted by Gwil on Thu Mar 25th at 2:05pm 2004

Who cares if they can't use computers? As long as they love to party and talk to the G-Man (thats me, not the Half-Life character. Tsk.) i'm A-ok!

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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Thu Mar 25th at 3:40pm 2004

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Well, ive noticed that all females seem to be absolutly pathetic when it comes to computers


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And AS, it's not a ridiculous stereotype if it's true.


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Posted by Juim on Thu Mar 25th at 3:55pm 2004

Well actually you are discriminating against women. I would say that your point probably applies loosely to women and gaming, as I know many women who make their livings on the computer. I would also hazard a guess that the majority of women gamers are most likely the fantasy game types, like EQ and such but I have no solid info on backing that up. There they can fantasize and chat at the same time, hehehe. Running around shooting others does'nt seem to be their bag baby yah!.



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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Mar 25th at 4:04pm 2004

[DRS] clan had a respectable membership of females... none could frag well, but all had tenacity [addsig]



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Posted by Cassius on Thu Mar 25th at 4:30pm 2004

? posted by Alien_Sniper
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Well, ive noticed that all females seem to be absolutly pathetic when it comes to computers


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And AS, it's not a ridiculous stereotype if it's true.


Having not known what quote you were citing, I don't think I could have possibly answered 'acceptably'.

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Posted by Andrei on Thu Mar 25th at 4:41pm 2004

? posted by Andrei
Well, i think the statistics are worth a million words.

I quote myself . (PS: like my new avatar?)

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Posted by Wild Card on Thu Mar 25th at 8:52pm 2004

? posted by Orpheus
but all had tenacity

Thats a given...

PMS

/Runs

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