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Posted by wil5on on Thu Apr 1st at 3:42pm 2004

Its not as if the NATO countries are struggling... look at USA, UK, they can afford to donate a few tanks/aircraft/dollars, whats a small loss to them is a huge gain for Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia.

I know about aeroplanes, the US has plenty of F16s that will probably be phased out for the F/A-22, UK has Tornadoes that might be replaced soon with the eurofighter (but there is a bit of an issue with them... hmm...) Any of those could be sent to Eastern Europe and not be missed by the donators. They can probably also provide training/maintenance facilities fairly cheap.

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Posted by Andrei on Thu Apr 1st at 5:04pm 2004

AND we still use MIG-21s!!! [addsig]



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Posted by wil5on on Fri Apr 2nd at 1:40pm 2004

Theres nothing inherently wrong with MiG-21s, however, they are quite dated by now. [addsig]



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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Fri Apr 2nd at 4:27pm 2004

UK, they can afford to donate a few tanks/aircraft/dollars,

t'is a shame they cant donate something to their own country. having a fatal heart condition? well, book yourself up now & youl only have to wait a year! wp blair.

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Posted by Andrei on Sat Apr 3rd at 8:40am 2004

? posted by Myrk-
No offence but I reckon those countries will drag Nato down budget wise... they arn't exactly wealthy countries or have anything going for them.

I think NATO has enough military hardware.And if the British donate 40% of their hardware, it wont go to waste. NATO will be able to control them even if they belong to...rum...Bulgaria .

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Posted by scary_jeff on Sat Apr 3rd at 8:45am 2004

I thought NATO had problems actually getting anything done or making decisions? Wouldn't it be a good idea if the existing countries got NATO in a properly functional and rlevant state before letting more countries join? Won't the whole thing just get harder to organise, and the decision making process become slower, the more countries there are?



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Posted by Andrei on Sat Apr 3rd at 8:51am 2004

Hmm...not really, i think they only have to get organised in case of war. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sat Apr 3rd at 8:52am 2004

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Hmm...not really, i think they only have to get organised in case of war.


Uhhh...There is a War. (It's not full blown, but it is legally declaired war. By US laws anyway) [addsig]



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Posted by Andrei on Sat Apr 3rd at 9:17am 2004

The war on terrorism? You cant mount a full scale assault on them, so all that hardware is useless when fighting an enemy so well hidden among innocents. [addsig]



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Posted by blu_chze on Mon Apr 5th at 3:20am 2004

you know its funny in a sort of f*cked up way that me year 10 science teacher said during class (early 2001) taht "the wars of the future wont be fought with aircraft, warships or even nuclear weapons. they will be fought through terrorism and terror tactics" as, unfortunately weve been forced to see through 9/11, Bali and Madrid examples weve all seen just recently recently

yea somehow this was on topic for science...

it made me think twice just now the reason why rich countries notably the US UK hell even Australia would spend tens of billions on useless hardware-just what are they doing with all those tanks etc, except as a deterrent? (no countries military going to invade them by sea air etc)

then their donations of 'obsolete' hardwares to poorer countries seems to say "here ya go these things cost to much too maintain, and are even more useless against a unseen enemy so take them"

war on terror? it seems to me such things are improbable, when you can only see your enemy when they attack innocent civilians

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Posted by wil5on on Mon Apr 5th at 12:46pm 2004

Just as a point of note, Australian defence spending is far higher than it should be. In the past decade, we've bought submarines that can't shoot torpedoes, "new" helicopters with 40-year old airframes, and tanks that are too heavy for our landing boats. It looks stupid, but its actually a rather devious plan to get more money from the Government. [addsig]




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