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Re: Smoking ban
Posted by scary_jeff on Fri Apr 2nd at 9:05am 2004


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when i said seat belts cause deaths, that was slightly inaccurate, it would be safer to say, they do not save as many as you would think..


haha, well that's fine then. I never said seatbelts will save your life every time, or that they will never kill you... if all you are saying is that they don't save as many as some people think, then well.. I agree I am happy to agree with all 5 points you made.

I did not miss-quote you. A miss quote is when I say you said something that you didn't. I did not ignore your definition for hypocrite at all. I specifically addressed it, by explaining why in this case, what you said was hypocritical, in spite of that (somewhat dated) definition. You said that "discrimination, no matter the good intentions, is still wrong." - that's fine, I'm not going against this or calling you a liar, and I accept that this is your opinion in this case of smoking! The reaosn this is hypocritical is because you pick when to apply this view. In the 'gay marriage' topic, you were clearly discriminating against gay men. You say it's prejudice not discrimination - in this case predjudice implies discrimination.




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Re: Smoking ban
Posted by Orpheus on Fri Apr 2nd at 11:13am 2004


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The reason this is hypocritical is because you pick when to apply this view. In the 'gay marriage' topic, you were clearly discriminating against gay men. You say it's prejudice not discrimination - in this case prejudice implies discrimination.

jeff, if i use your example as a defining term for discrimination, then you are discriminating against me cause of my beliefs.. how is that possible?

my belief is that its wrong for gays to marry, and i do not think its ok for gay women to marry either, i do not physically block the doors to the chapel... but you do physically with text, block my doors to self expression.. you are more of a discriminator than i am by your definition of the word. a true hypocrite, would seperate when and where its ok for gays to marry, i feel they are all wrong, so how can i be hypocritical?

if i quit smoking after 27 years, i am a non-smoker, at least till i start again, which statistically is probable, but if i stop acting gay today, (hypothetically speaking) i am still gay.. clearly, the two topics are not interchangeable, and sadly.. i do not think its possible to act gay, or stop doing such..

also, i feel enough hurt about the gay issue has transpired here at snarkpit... we have members that the issue effects dearly, and i think their feelings should play a much more important roll than our silly squabbles over who's right and wrong.

it i am being hypocritical now, for avoiding the gay issue, to spare some hurts.. so be it, i am a hypocrite, cause i have indeed avoided several more chances to express myself, in favor of better forum relations.. my viewpoint on the subject cannot be expressed in such a way as to sound humane, so its better left un-typed.

also, and i could very well be wrong on this one point.. but it is my understanding that "all men and women have the right to get married", it does NOT say "all men or women have the right to get married" the two concepts are legally different enough to be used against the gay marriage issue. if legality was the only issue, discounting and moral issues, it should be enough.

i think we should avoid using gay issues from this point on, i am quite sure you could dig up several other cases where i supposedly acted hypocritical, i find it very unlikely that you, being YOU, could possibly feel that i am only a prick about gays

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Posted by scary_jeff on Fri Apr 2nd at 7:41pm 2004


I didn't mean too push it too far... it's easy to get carried away when you can't see how a person is reacting face to face. But using my example, I am not discriminating against you, because I am not trying to stop you from doing anything (or force you to do something) - that's the only difference.




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