when i made double_trouble, i used both r_drawflat 1 and gl_wireframe 2 extensively.. i minutely stretched each texture sideways, till i got the least amount of squares possible, and still retained the best quality i could.
with some areas, it was the only way i could get the r's under 1000... the torches boosted the r's substantially , but were essential to the theme
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...wait, so you usually use a tree of trees for the bsp/face spliting?? I thought that some of the other algorithms for trees were more efficient ... hmm. I guess a programmer would shoot themselves if they had to create the bsp structure using AVL or something like that (it would also run slow if the balancing was done durring runtime, however if it wasn't it might be more efficient and reliable in the speed area) |
It might help looking up the BSP FAQ, it's all over the Internet. You kinda have to reread each section several times to understand what's going on(some of it I still don't quite get).
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| Ive been mapping for 3 years and i still dont uderstand 100% the wonders of HINT brushes.
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Indeed. HINT brushes - do they work? Do they bollocks 
Yet every novice mapper who lets his r_speeds go mad in a beta seems to say, "Yeah like I know my r_speeds are 5000 but im gonna use HINT brushes and stuff and then they'll be 800 yeah I rule."
) and cut it to mere seconds 
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Er, wouldn't that tell BSP to make splits on EVERY face of the cylindrical hint brush?
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sometimes lep, you're worse than i am. what do you think i was, before i started delivering busses silly. my CDL's are still current.. i went to college (stop glaring asswipe), actually got credits and everything, just to learn how to drive semi-trucks. was an 8 week course, but was fun.
ain't been mapping long have you? else, haven't released much. I find this comment rather arrogant. Are you disagreeing with me? if so be my guest and prove your point. Otherwise please keep your rude comments to yourself. |
i am disagreeing, i don't need to be arrogant, and you may download any of my maps still with functional links..
my experience, is for you to judge i guess.
actually, yes, i was being rude, you comment was not very accurate.
and i find it rather arrogant of you to question me as well.. 
theres plenty of words that im sure are fairly unique to West Australia, even compared with the Eastern States, let alone the rest of the world. one that comes (not sure if unique or waht) to mind is 'sped' (heard it way to many times on the bus this morning) means retard and is pretty old...
r_speeds? tried to understand them...didnt get far-now i just steer clear of open areas...
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I never questioned your experience in the first place Orph. The subject at hand is r_speeds, and you have yet to prove my statement inaccurate. All you have provided is mere insults (which I would expect from the 12-15 year olds whom likely frequent this site, but not you).
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Context/Texture changes- Areas that have fewer amounts of textures in the region will definitely perform better because there's a bottleneck when the renderer has to change textures. This is actually a biggie......... |
this pic covers a large area with lots of different textures, and could apply to what you say there Edge. even though the world and entity r's are well within accepted limits, it still takes 7ms to draw. and thats with a new kick-ass card that i may have already mentioned elsewhere.
i released a concmap based on much the same theme, fishyconc3_r, and even though the r's stayed reasonably low, people still complained of unacceptable lag. 
so like Edge says, there's more to it than poly's.
and something else got me thinking that HL was like a propeller, designed to have certain capabilities, and like a propeller, it wont pull any harder once it reaches it's limits, no matter how fast it turns. [/rabbling]
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I never questioned your experience in the first place Orph. The subject at hand is r_speeds, and you have yet to prove my statement inaccurate. All you have provided is mere insults (which I would expect from the 12-15 year olds whom likely frequent this site, but not you). |
dude, your 1st mistake was assuming i was being arrogant, arrogant would be "do you know who the hell you are talking to bucko?" thats arrogant.
secondly, i have been accused of being an r_speeds nazi, cause i hound so many about the needlessness of them in their maps, so believe me when i say, your comment is not completely wrong, but it is enuff to warrant my saying so.
thirdly, i don't have to prove it, its just basic r_speeds knowledge, the amount of textures you use in a given area will not influence the r_speeds at all... now their scales of each, yeah those will do it, but never the quantity.
lastly, excepting errors in construction, and assuming all was made correctly, a small room with lots of details, and 800 r_speeds, will draw just the same as a big open area with almost nothin in it and also at 800..
your comment was inaccurate... and my being rude,immature, or arrogant, has no baring on it at all.
so, you want rude? or honesty, cause bud, i am damned good at both.
my advice, dig back thru the mapping forums, and look at the dozens of critiques i have done, judge for yourself, if i know my r_speeds or not.
arrogant.. 
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I never questioned your experience in the first place Orph. The subject at hand is r_speeds, and you have yet to prove my statement inaccurate. All you have provided is mere insults (which I would expect from the 12-15 year olds whom likely frequent this site, but not you). |
Christ, why don't you cry. This is an internet forum, let's not take it too seriously now.
I will now disprove your statement as per your request. A wide open area will not necessarily make the map render slowly, it depends on the number of entities visible. Usually there's more in an open area, but that is something to design around. As for textures, I don't think that matters at all past the initial loading of the map. If you have 10megs of textures that need to be loaded it will take a bit for the map to load up, but there won't be a noticeable difference between a room with lots of textures and one with few as the textures have already been loaded when the map started.
man yak, i felt that all the way here
remind me, why you and i are such great friends again, i forget
seriously JFry, we are being straight with you.. not trying to run you off.
[addsig]I think that r_speeds should be to the mapper's own honest standards - while it is disgusting to see a guy who releases a map with 5000 r_speeds and say that it's for 'high end computers only', if somebody honestly believes and finds that a 1200 r_speed limit works for the audience of the mod or community he's releasing for, then by all means, he should stick to it.
800 r_speeds is the 'gentleman's limit'. In all honesty, there are very few computers I've ever seen in my entire three-year experience with Half-Life, from start to present, that could not handle 900-950 without a hitch, but limiting yourself always adds a nice element to mapping.
And JFry, please, leave your comments about Orph's 'arrogance' in your ass where they came from.
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800 r_speeds is the 'gentleman's limit'. In all honesty, there are very few computers I've ever seen in my entire three-year experience with Half-Life, from start to present, that could not handle 900-950 without a hitch, but limiting yourself always adds a nice element to mapping. |
Yeah, you get the right to brag to everyone about the impressive visuals you created that have low r_speeds. It gets you chicks. (well... not really.)
