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Posted by flashman on Sun Apr 18th at 8:58pm 2004


You're spot-on, Crono. His early stuff is good (Salem's lot is very good) but now it's the same, stale old characters wheeled out time and time again in ever more ludicrous storylines.

Has anyone read any of his Fantasy stuff? What's it like?





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Posted by ReNo on Sun Apr 18th at 9:01pm 2004


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You're spot-on, Crono. His early stuff is good (Salem's lot is very good) but now it's the same, stale old characters wheeled out time and time again in ever more ludicrous storylines.

Has anyone read any of his Fantasy stuff? What's it like?


My flatmate got sent a few books of a fantasy series of his accidentally from Amazon, and they said he could keep them rather than waste money shipping them back. Anyway, he says they are good, can't remember the series or whatever though.

I read Salem's Lot a long long time ago. I didn't take a book on holiday to spain and got really bored, and it was the only English book I could find that seemed mildly interesting I enjoyed it quite a lot, but was mostly disappointed by his books I read since then. [addsig]




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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 18th at 9:27pm 2004


i am not a Steven King fan as far as reading goes, BUT i do highly recommend two of his works to everyone i meet.

"Eyes of the Dragon" and "bag of bones" is perfection IMO..

my wife reads anything with his name on it as if its a god send, but i am not of such a mindset.

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Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 18th at 9:28pm 2004


Yeah, the thing is, he has writen amazing books. Its just that ... out of his entire bibliography most of his 'work' isn't good ... or even close

The Dark Tower Series is supposedly some of his best stuff.

I just think King is overrated ... like George Lucas. [addsig]




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Posted by ReNo on Sun Apr 18th at 9:28pm 2004


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Yeah, the thing is, he has writen amazing books. Its just that ... out of his entire bibliography most of his 'work' isn't good ... or even close

The Dark Tower Series is supposedly some of his best stuff.

I just think King is overrated ... like George Lucas.


Dark Tower, thats the one my flatmate has a few books of [addsig]




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Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 18th at 9:33pm 2004


rockin' roll [addsig]



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Posted by OtZman on Sun Apr 18th at 9:34pm 2004


To be honest I don't read much. To be honest I don't like reading very much, maybe because I've never found something that really suits me.

But I have read Salems lot and that book was quite good. There's just one thing I wanna know: in the end of the book, when he throws the cigarette in the woods, he read something on the packet of cigarettes: in hoc signo vinces. I dunno if it's latin. Does anyone know what it means?

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Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 18th at 9:40pm 2004


I slapped it into a translator and it says (literally) "Into this you will conquer I mark"

Meaning probably "You will conquer this" or something as such ... I never read Salems Lot, so, draw your own connections [addsig]




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Posted by Gwil on Mon Apr 19th at 2:02am 2004


Mostly socio/political/historical based accounts on events in history, although I do enjoy novels which touch on the socio-political theme as well - 1984, farenheit 451, animal farm, of mice and men.. etc.
also various "comics" v for vendetta, transmetropolitan series.. anything my DC enabled buddies throw my way in an attempt to turn me subversive

Certain crime novels as well, anything by James Ellroy or based in the police/political world of America with tangled plots, yummy loadsa stuff really, current read is "Max Hastings - The Korean War"

i ticked other

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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Mon Apr 19th at 4:32am 2004


? posted by flashman

You're spot-on, Crono. His early stuff is good (Salem's lot is very good) but now it's the same, stale old characters wheeled out time and time again in ever more ludicrous storylines.

Has anyone read any of his Fantasy stuff? What's it like?

I've read the first dark tower book, and liked it very much. I don't really like is writing style that much though.





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Posted by Forceflow on Mon Apr 19th at 5:57am 2004


I agree ... Stephen King cannot write any book different from a psychological horror-fest ... but what if you w?nt to read such kind of book ... in that genre, he is one of the top writers.





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Posted by Crono on Mon Apr 19th at 6:44am 2004


Force, you missed the point, man.

I have no problem with psychological 'horror-fest' of sorts. However, the manner in which King presents his stories is ridiculous. Not to mention the tired,old characters. Also, if you notice, most all of his books have to do with super-natural or paranormal 'horror'. Even when he 'explores' the horror of the human mind, he does it in a very 'fantastical' way. I think that the best horror is very close to truth, that is why stories like Misery are his best. Because they are believable and there is nothing 'supernatural' about it. He seems to be a little lacking in the area of believability at times.

I'm not saying that paranormal horror is bad or anything, I just think he killed off the ideas of possesion, aliens, and satanic spirits ... I mean ... he had books seperatly dealing with each ... then he mushed them together *cough*Desperation*cough*. I for one am glad he's retiring. However, I really wonder what he could have come up with if he had something great to say, and if he did have something great to say ... then he convoluted it in his stories, because it is very hard to find. [addsig]




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Posted by Finger on Mon Apr 19th at 6:51am 2004


"Stephen King cannot write any book different from a psychological horror-fest"

Not true. The Dark Tower series of books, (all of which I have read), are much closer to sci-fi/fantastical, than horror. This story really takes its time developing the main characters, and end up being a really great, mysterious, strange tale. The story is finished (7 books I think), with the last 2 books being released this within the next year.

At first glance King seems to have a cookie cutter style of writing, but I do beleive there is a little more depth to his abilites and imagination, than that. I very much enjoyed his books as a kid, and look forward to completing the Dark Tower series. I will admit though, I feel I have somewhat outgrown his horror stories.





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Posted by DesPlesda on Mon Apr 19th at 6:59am 2004


What's that bash quote..

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* xjeff does not read books(he thanks there a waist of time)




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Mon Apr 19th at 8:28am 2004


Tom Clancy has devloped the same sort of cookie-cutter syndrome in his later work. I stopped reading after "the bear and the dragon" because it was such a lame recreation of his earlier work. it was like he decided to rewrite "Executive Orders", which might have been okay, but he did a terrible job of it. I don't know if there is a similar degradation in Kings work with time, since the only one I have ever read is Dark Tower: Book 1





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Posted by Kain on Mon Apr 19th at 8:31am 2004


I like to re-read Machiavelli's "The Prince" from time to time, although I'm not that much of a philosophy fan. But this book's very smart.



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Posted by ReNo on Mon Apr 19th at 1:28pm 2004


Well I read Clancy's latest book, "Teeth of the Tiger", and I really enjoyed it.

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I think perhaps what got me most was the intro, in which he introduces you to a character with significant detail, leading you to believe he is going to be somewhat important. Next thing you know he is just killed off by some random dude, who turns out to be a hugely important enemy. Not exactly breakthrough, yet it left me going "Oh, THAT was unexpected".

Pity about the ending, it had better be getting a follow up as I don't like the way it was left hanging.

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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Apr 19th at 2:22pm 2004


for you star trek fans.. they have started a new concept in trek books.. the lost era series..

THIS is the best i have read to date, as far as any trek books i have read, and believe me, my collection is substantial..

i recommend this series..

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Posted by Crono on Mon Apr 19th at 5:24pm 2004


Not a big fan on Trek books to be honest. Not a big fan of Star Wars books either, except the ones writen by Timothy Zahn. Damn those are awesome: Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command. Is considered by many people to be the best trilogy of books in that whole 'universe', except for the movies of course. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Apr 19th at 5:27pm 2004


? posted by Crono
Not a big fan on Trek books to be honest. Not a big fan of Star Wars books either, except the ones writen by Timothy Zahn. Damn those are awesome: Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command. Is considered by many people to be the best trilogy of books in that whole 'universe', except for the movies of course.

T.Z. is very good.. he is the Ed Greenwood of starwars

[addsig]





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