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Posted by Crono on Wed Apr 14th at 4:08am 2004
Other then that ... I can't really think of anything that I'd want to be able to do that I can't already find a good way of doing. Maybe I should post my composite of Bruce Campbell as a GTO Judge. [addsig]
Posted by wil5on on Wed Apr 14th at 5:38am 2004
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Posted by Crono on Wed Apr 14th at 5:43am 2004
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| Like most other things, with Photoshop I found it far better to learn the basics from tutorials/help files, and then learn the rest through experience. It would be good if you were to start writing some beginner tutorials.
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Adobe Studio and Sijun do a pretty good job of that already, save Lep some bandwidth cost
Posted by GrimlocK on Wed Apr 14th at 6:00am 2004
Yea, there are tons of basic tutorials on the net.
What I'll most likely do is get in to some basic texture related techniques like tiling.
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Posted by Leperous on Wed Apr 14th at 9:58am 2004
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Posted by Monqui on Wed Apr 14th at 1:08pm 2004
Basically a collection of tutorials from around the net. [addsig]
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Posted by OtZman on Wed Apr 14th at 1:19pm 2004
I really want to learn Photoshop, but I'm a big noob and have no knowledge at all about it. Maybe I can try those noob links above^^. Plz post more links to beginner tuts. I would appreciate that
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What version of Photoshop do you guys use and what do you recommend?
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Posted by Crono on Wed Apr 14th at 9:58pm 2004
But I know people who praise 6 and 7 ... I just think they're terrible though. [addsig]
Posted by GrimlocK on Wed Apr 14th at 11:49pm 2004
Well, I have to say you are very wrong Crono, photoshop has evolved quite a bit since 5.5. Right now photoshop is v8.0 or CS (creative suite series)
Tools added since 5.5: Healing brush, Annotation tools, patch tool, Photo merge, replace color brush and text tools(cs). Not to mention brush dinamics
Other features added since 5.5: Browser, filter library(shows layered effects preview), pattern maker, layer styles, picture package, 16 bit editing (v8.0), save for web features, print preview (yea 5.5 didn't even have a print preview).
The list go's on and on. Personally I wouldn't go bellow 6.0. So many layer features alone where added in 6.0. 5.5 will leave you doing a lot of things the hard way.
v6.0 is what I would recommend you start with.
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Posted by GrimlocK on Wed Apr 14th at 11:52pm 2004
| ? posted by Leperous |
| Yep, tiling textures would be good. I think we used to have a crate-making tutorial too, but I don't have the images for it any more! And maybe filters and gubbins you can apply to photographs to turn them into decent looking textures (I know that's blaspheming, but for some of us that's our only option for some textures) |
Do you still have that tutorial I wrote on how to add realistic looking wire to textures? The images would still work since I still have them in place. I wrote the tutorial just before the site change over a while ago.
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Posted by ReNo on Thu Apr 15th at 12:03am 2004
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Posted by Leperous on Thu Apr 15th at 12:20am 2004
*edit* yes I do have that tut, I'll give it a look over tomorrow morning!
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Posted by GrimlocK on Thu Apr 15th at 3:27am 2004
This image might refresh your memory on the tutorial.

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Posted by Crono on Thu Apr 15th at 4:00am 2004
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Tools added since 5.5: Healing brush, Annotation tools, patch tool, Photo merge, replace color brush and text tools(cs). Not to mention brush dinamics Other features added since 5.5: Browser, filter library(shows layered effects preview), pattern maker, layer styles, picture package, 16 bit editing (v8.0), save for web features, print preview (yea 5.5 didn't even have a print preview). |
My opinion isn't wrong.
I know what features 6.0 and up has, and I think it's still not that great. I've used all the versions intensly and these 'features' didn't help a damn thing.
I simply don't use these things, I also, obviously, do not use photoshop for all the same purposes you do, so to simply say I'm "wrong" for my opinion is rather arrogant and misplaced, no offense, because after all I said that things above 5.5 didn't show much improvement to me and I found no use for them, personally.
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I agree, and I'm a photoshop n00b. In my high school art department a few years back they had 5.5, and I found it really hard to use after becoming accustomed to 6.0 on my home computer. Certainly wouldn't go below 6.0 personally. |
And I found it difficult to use 6.0 and above after being acustomed to 3.0 - 5.5 for so long. [addsig]
Posted by GrimlocK on Thu Apr 15th at 4:12am 2004
No need to take offense. Everyone is intitled to thier opinion, mine being that yours is misinformed. I don't know what you use the program for but I would recommend getting a decent tutorial book before you condemn v6.0+'s potential.
What exactly do you use Photoshop for? Maybe you are using the wrong program. I can't imagine any use of the program that wouldn't benifit from the enhancments made in the later versions.
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Posted by Crono on Thu Apr 15th at 4:26am 2004
I use it for overall image editing and graphics for webdesign. I have no problem using 5.5. and I don't need a tutorial on how to use other versions, they are rather intuitive, but when you're used to a certain layout it can be disorienting.
I've used Illustrator, Painter, ImageReady, you name it I've used it and not just for like five minutes or something as such.
I just prefer an older version, I don't think there is anything wrong with that, do you? [addsig]
Posted by GrimlocK on Thu Apr 15th at 4:46am 2004
No, nothing wrong with that. Personally I think you should give the later versions more of a chance but thats just me. I learned on 6.0 myself, I didn't see much interesting stuff in 7.0 or 8.0 even after using them. That is until I say down and read about the new features and what they can really do.
Its cool if you want to stick with 5.5, although I wouldn't recommend anyone else to. I know of a lot of really good artists that use earlier versions, thats great and all but for a noobie, shooting to the most recent versions is a better option (as you learned with 5.5 or 4.0 when it was early in its release I imagine).
Basically I'm just trying to give good advice to anyone who wants to get into photoshop now, as a begginer. I'm sure you learned the work arounds, for example techniques to create a drop shadow under text (without layer styles). Some one learning 6.o and above would not need to know your technique, they could simply use the layer styled to achieve the same results. Basically you can live without the features in the later versions, the only thing they really do is make your job easier and speed up your process (what ever it is that you are doing). I will say that I frequently use tools only found in 7 and 8 while working with photos, also layer styles play a big role in my art. The advanced layer blending options are a godsend as well.
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Posted by Crono on Thu Apr 15th at 6:22am 2004
And I'm very 'efficient' at doing things the way I do them. If someone wants to use a different version that's fine, I'm not like hellbent against the other versions, I just found some of their stuff to be a bit of eyecandy and overblown.
yeah, that's pretty close to how I make dropdown shadows
However, I'm going to post some of these pictures, when I do, I actually made them in 6.0 just because they were for a class and I had to work on them at school ... but I did a good majority at my home too. Here's a sample (its not too great, but then again it took less then an hour and a half)
The GTO Judge Campbell
Yeah, not great, but I was also learning how to blend skin by doing this, so. [addsig]
Posted by ReNo on Thu Apr 15th at 11:56am 2004
Anyway, I think the point is here, that it would be wise for a newcomer to learn the newest since they might as well learn all the new features and learn how to achieve effects as easily as possible with them. Learning using an old version, in this case would be shooting yourself in the foot, as you will have to learn workarounds that simply aren't necessary.
Thats not to say you are wrong for liking 5.5 best - its what you are used to and it does all you need, so thats great. But it still doesn't make too much sense to suggest it, when those are your two primary reasons which are highly personal. [addsig]
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