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Posted by Leperous on Tue Apr 20th at 9:16pm 2004


16-18 year olds can get up to ?30/week to stay in college:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3639611.stm

Hmm, let's pay stupid kids to stay in school, whilst charging clever University undergrads to go to Uni. Cunning.





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Posted by Adam Hawkins on Tue Apr 20th at 9:22pm 2004


And who's paying for them to stay in school? The poor university grads who have just got their first job! (already with a student loan to pay off)

Stupid income tax! It all gets wasted on stuff like this. Our goverment is full of big ideas but no sense on how to implement them fairly.

"Oh hello there Mr. Hawkins....we know you only earn 10k a year but were going to take 20% of it and give it to a bunch of stupid dropouts so that we can keep 'em off the streets...you understand don't you? We're sure you can manage on only one meal a day and living in a cardboard box. While you're at it, my Jaguar is a bit old and I could do with a sooper-dooper new one."

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Posted by Forceflow on Tue Apr 20th at 9:31pm 2004


That's just absurd.

the 1st of april was like ... 20 days ago, wasn't it ?





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Posted by Crono on Tue Apr 20th at 9:34pm 2004


funny, I just got done haggling with my school because they don't know how to mail a check.

Since they're incompetant I now have late fees at another college. I have a co-enrollment plan, which means I goto two schools. I get aid from one and pay them both with it. the remaining amount of my aid was suppose to be mailed to my house 2 weeks ago. I went in around that time and they said "it's on it's way" ... waited a week ... talked to them again "It's on it's way" ... waited a few days and talked to them again "It was sent back to the lender" ... to top it off they didn't know why. Thankfully they tracked it down before it was mailed back and I could pick it up today ... but I get a big old $80 fee at PCC on top of my tuition ... son's of bitches.

Although, this is nothing compared to when I will start getting billed for the aid.

Universities are not government ran, public schools are. In general that is. [addsig]




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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Apr 20th at 9:44pm 2004


All the while the dropouts will spend the money on drugs, while the uni kids loose money and get driven away from uni. And the political f**kers are sitting in their living rooms watching the hockey game on a 52" plasma screen with their vipers sitting out in the driveway, smoking their expensive cuban cigars... [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Tue Apr 20th at 9:50pm 2004


Pfft Vipers? I think they'd have McLaurens. Come on, Spend a little. [addsig]



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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Apr 20th at 9:50pm 2004


? posted by Crono
Pfft Vipers? I think they'd have McLaurens. Come on, Spend a little.

I dont know cars that much. and I was going to say ferari but I dont know how to spell it

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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue Apr 20th at 10:00pm 2004


haha, silly Brits! Then again it's probably the exact same situation in the US...



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Posted by Crono on Tue Apr 20th at 11:34pm 2004


No, we use outside class enrolment for college credit to keep kids in school (At least that's what a lot of High Schools are doing) [addsig]



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Posted by flashman on Tue Apr 20th at 11:34pm 2004


Paying ?30 per week to unemployable, stupid kids studying for their social sciences or psychology/E.lit diplomas innit? is pretty good business on Mr. B's part if they aren't recorded on the unemployment register.

Is there an election due?





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Posted by Gwil on Wed Apr 21st at 3:04am 2004


2005 is the next general election I think? Unless anyone cares to correct me...?

Other than that, we have a referendum on the new European Constitution coming up in the coming months and year or 2... exciting! ...





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Posted by Andrei on Wed Apr 21st at 7:56am 2004


Nobody should get anything. So there . [addsig]



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Posted by $loth on Wed Apr 21st at 8:19am 2004


Lep, stupid kids???? I'm starting college in september, and as my mum is a single parent, we ned the money.Didn't think about that did ya? [addsig]



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Posted by matt on Wed Apr 21st at 8:29am 2004


? posted by $loth
Lep, stupid kids???? I'm starting college in september, and as my mum is a single parent, we ned the money.Didn't think about that did ya?

Same situation, 'cept I'm already in college. I think its all very well for Lep and others already in University to say this sort of thing. However, looking at both sides of the arguement:

? quote:
...Without the allowance I wouldn't be doing the course I want to do because I have to buy so much film, pay for processing, developing... and I wouldn't have finances to do it - I would have to drop it....

So clearly its doing some good. However, on the other hand:

[qoute]Ayo: The money is the only reason I'm at college... that and my mother...[quote]

So yeah, I see what your saying about the little bleeders just going because of the money.

/me passes general studies

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Posted by scary_jeff on Wed Apr 21st at 8:46am 2004


I actually got the EMA anyway, because where I live was some kind of test area for it. ?30 a week to spend on whatever you like, plus ?50 at the end of each term if you had good attendance and did all your coursework. The money was meant to be for 'books and stuff', but I think I bought one ?10 book in the 2-year period.

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because I have to buy so much film, pay for processing, developing...


Right. So in the second year of 6th form, the government wants to pay for the expenses associated with a students course. 3 months later when they are at university, the course is harder, and the costs are much higher, the government aren't interested, telling people it's an 'investment in your own future'. Well f**k you Mr Blair (not you, ReNo ).




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Posted by Gwil on Wed Apr 21st at 8:51am 2004


He's realising now that sending everyone he possibly can to University is the worst idea that this Government had..

I would be happy to wager that fees would still be Government funded and low - IF we hadn't convinced a lot of morons that they can go to Uni, when they clearly arent up to it...





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Posted by scary_jeff on Wed Apr 21st at 9:05am 2004


Definately agreed. So many people do courses that industry says aren't really worth doing. We don't need 500 'media' graduates per year per university. Same goes for 'business studies', 'economics', 'politics'. Hundreds of people in every yuniversity doing these courses every year, year upon year. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these courses have no merit, they don't, I'm just saying that we don't need so many thousands of graduates from these subjects every single year. Courses have so many spaces, that you can get into some universities having totally failed half your A-levels. What sense does that make - "what's that? You couldn't be bothered to do your a-levels? No problem! Come to university!!"

They always seem to tell kids at school that "if you tried your best, then that's good; if you tried hard, you have succeeded no matter what you actually acheived". Well that's all well and nice at school in order to encourage them, but there has to come a point when this just doesn't hold true. If somebody worked their ass off for a-levels, and got one E, and two fails, then sorry, they should not go to university to waste 3 years getting a crap degree in a subject that employers don't even want. The idea that we need to send 50% of kids to university, no matter what, is rediculous.




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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 21st at 9:29am 2004


i am not reading all this cause its not interesting to an old person, but i would like to comment seriously if i may,

my wife and i have always shared the belief, that if all schooling were free to everyone, we eventually would benefit more in the end than the current methodology.

think about all the poor smart people, barred from attending a school of higher learning simply because of the cost, its a fact, that people whom want to do something, more than likely will succeed at it... most rich people send their deadbeat children to college, and damned few of those excel at it, where children whom luck into a scholarship of some sort, in most cases are driven to succeed. afterall, the poor dont have mommy and daddy as a fall back

anywho's, no insult to our present snarkpit membership, especially since many are either attending college, or have already, but truly, snarkpit is not a good representation of the world as a whole.. so please do not use this site as a basis for your theory if you disagree with me..

thanx for listening

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Posted by matt on Wed Apr 21st at 10:16am 2004


Some very good points there Orph. I fully agree with what scary jeff said, we don't need all these media and other 'namby pamby' subjects getting hundreds of applicants, and the subjects that actually matter like the sciences, maths & english (and other languages!) having reduced applicants because of this. Britain has a shortidge of teachers, especially in subjects like the sciences, and if this is to be addressed then only allowing certain numbers of students to take courses like 'media studies' has to happen.



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Posted by Leperous on Wed Apr 21st at 10:25am 2004


? posted by matt
? posted by $loth
Lep, stupid kids???? I'm starting college in september, and as my mum is a single parent, we ned the money.Didn't think about that did ya?

Same situation, 'cept I'm already in college. I think its all very well for Lep and others already in University to say this sort of thing.

Uni students have to pay ?1000 tuition fees every year- which works out to about ?30-?40/week. We also have seperate accomodation charges on top of that, which for me at least is double that. If they increase tuition fees to ?3000, that's going to be ?100+ a week. So I think it's all very well for me to say this sort of thing- it's absurd that you get paid ?30/week to just turn up for at least 10 hours a week to a free education. I'm sure you appreciate the extra money, but you could still go to college without it, right?

note: my situation is quite good money-wise, despite my mum also being a single parent, but I am bitching for the average (majority) student!






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