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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 25th at 2:02am 2004

ViPlay is the best, most versatile, and easy to use video player i have yet found.

but i am always looking for better, what player do you use???

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Posted by Wild Card on Sun Apr 25th at 2:07am 2004

Either Windows Media Player or good 'ol WinAMP.

Yes, pretty s**tty but meh. *shrugs shoulders*

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Posted by scary_jeff on Sun Apr 25th at 2:15am 2004

Winamp 2 for music, media player 6.4 with ffdshow for movies. Don't see any advantage to a newer player for either



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sun Apr 25th at 2:24am 2004

WMP is good enough for me. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 25th at 2:35am 2004

i get the sneaky suspicion, you 3 don't watch/download near the movies i do

none of those, watch avi's or mpg's very well. sure they work, but they're so bulky :/

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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sun Apr 25th at 2:43am 2004

I really only watch it for 24, thanks to you Americans being about 8 episodes ahead of us brits. I also watch the occasional movie (more specifically Pulp Fiction and The Big Lebowski over and over ). [addsig]



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Posted by DesPlesda on Sun Apr 25th at 2:45am 2004

I use Xine. It's the best video player out there, and you can skip the ads in DVDs with it!!1 It supports every format ever - even WMV - but it's better geared to Linux than Windows, though.



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Posted by Gorbachev on Sun Apr 25th at 2:49am 2004

PowerDVD for DVDs, DivX for most .avi files and Media Player 9 for all those that don't seem to work with other movie players. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 25th at 2:51am 2004

i may look into that des.. it appears to be quite good, but it will have to be something to sway me from ViPlay..

course though, the reasons i like mine and the reasons you like yours, might not even be interchangeable

i will let you know

? posted by Gorbachev

PowerDVD for DVDs, DivX for most .avi files and Media Player 9 for all those that don't seem to work with other movie players.

its all in the codecs gorby.. not the players

in fact, i just found a new one.. here

it is worth getting, but i sure wish they would find more universal codecs..

it is amazing though.. files of 70 megs, play just as clear as 200 meg files did, just last year

file compressions are getting amazing

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Posted by DesPlesda on Sun Apr 25th at 2:54am 2004

If you're completely sick of having to watch the copyright notices or 'special features' or stupidly long menu intro sequences then you'll like it.



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 25th at 2:57am 2004

? posted by DesPlesda
If you're completely sick of having to watch the copyright notices or 'special features' or stupidly long menu intro sequences then you'll like it.

huh?!?!

i don't understand.. there are no notices and features with ViPlay.. you must be talking about media player and winamp

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Posted by DesPlesda on Sun Apr 25th at 3:03am 2004

I meant on DVDs. You know how they show you the copyright violation warning for about 10 seconds at the start of the disc? And how Disney has taken to including advertisements that you can't skip? And how a lot of DVDs include a 10-15 second intro to the main menu? And how...



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 25th at 3:09am 2004

? posted by DesPlesda
I meant on DVDs. You know how they show you the copyright violation warning for about 10 seconds at the start of the disc? And how Disney has taken to including advertisements that you can't skip? And how a lot of DVDs include a 10-15 second intro to the main menu? And how...

actually? no.

yeah, my PC has a DVD player, but any movie i wanna watch thats DVD, i play on my TV set...

my goal, is to find an easy conversion method for changing avi files (the most common down-loadable movie format) to either mpg, or vcd.

if i were so inclined to watch dvd's on my comp, i suppose i would use power DVD..

sorry i got confused, my questions were aimed at people who download and play..

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Posted by Gorbachev on Sun Apr 25th at 3:15am 2004

I know it's about the codecs, but some files just don't play properly in some players for whatever reason. The movies I have are from such a variety of locations. And some players either don't support certain formats, or they don't seem to understand the codecs correctly. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 25th at 4:12am 2004

You have to be careful on how you word that Orph. Since there's AVI (Uncompressed Microsoft Foramat Video crap) and there's AVI (DivX).

The latter is what most all movies are encoded with ... most use 4.0 or 3.1 or somthing.

There are a crap load of converters. However, I don't suggest using them, they turn the files into gigantic bohemuths.

I had one a while ago, but it was such crap I deleted it. And the program its self wasn't crappy it was just that it was suppose to rip DVDs to DixV (Got some programs that can do that right now) then it runs another program to convert that divx file to an mpg THEN it runs another program to resize that to 320 x 240 so it is vcd compatable. big pain in the ass and when it was all said and done, the damn thing was like 1.5 gigs.

The reason why is that DivX has a VERY nice compression algorithm. Mpegs and normal AVIs don't, and with AVIs there is no compression. Mpegs do a crappy job on reconfiguring the video and about the only thing they do well is audio *cough*mp3 is just the sound part of an mpg format*cough*

Anyway, Xine is good, but they don't have a Win32 version out yet, they're working on it. So until then I'm using zoom. It's pretty nice, but you have to install all the codecs and such manually, it's not too difficult though since it has all the links in the player and you just open them and they're ready to go.

Zoom is pretty much the nicest player I've come accross, short of Xine [addsig]



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Posted by Wild Card on Sun Apr 25th at 4:25am 2004

I never got why they did that... especially for audio files... .WAV .WMA .MP3 .OGG etc. I can understand a little the difference with WAV and MP3 but still. In the end its the same damn music...

video the same. .MPEG .MPG .AVI .MOV I mean.. comeon

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Posted by Crono on Sun Apr 25th at 5:47am 2004

Whhaaaa?

Are you nuts? they're not even close to the same thing, even though the programs send signals to vibrate your speakers or send a RGB number to your monitor for the color of the pixels formats aren't the same. its all in how they're saved and retrieved.

wav is completly uncompressed audio

WMA is a Windows only format (which other platforms are giving the ability to play now)

MP3 is very highly compressed, yet high quality audio. This was originally used in mpg video format. They hit gold with the audio, not with the video.

MPEG and MPG are the same thing.

AVI is uncompressed video and audio

MOV is the macintosh format for video.

Basically the difference between all these is the way that they store and retrieve information. Some of them are more efficient (MP3, DivX AVI), some of them have very inefficient storing methods (WAV, AVI).

Don't say they're the same ... believe it or not the same thing happens with Image encoding.

JPG, GIF, PNG, they're all stored differently. Some more efficient then others.

Saying they're the same is rather ignorant on your part, no offense.

Belive me, if you work for some software company and you write an algorithm that can keep audio quality and reduce file size by ten times, you'll be getting some very nice rewards (unless you work for Microsoft, in which case they probably bought you a house to get you to work there ... right after they made you find your way out of a 3 mile maze of mirrors ) [addsig]



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Posted by $loth on Sun Apr 25th at 7:10am 2004

Div-x for avi's and other wise WM/RO meh [addsig]



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Posted by scary_jeff on Sun Apr 25th at 8:49am 2004

I don't think you do Orph. And I said media player 6.4 - this isn't bulky at all, and I would never use the horrible disaster of a program that is the most recent WMP. Using ffdshow as the video renderer makes it as good as any other player tbh. As for Realplayer, that is even worse, and quick time is awful to. Don't they try and use these hopeless programs before releasing them? Luckily QuickTimeAlt and RealAlt let you use media player 6.4 for quick time and real media, and they work perfectly with mozilla for streaming media to

I think the confusion around the difference between AVI and MPEG comes from the fact that divx is a MPEG compression scheme, but the writers of it reverse engineered AVI playback codecs to get it to work, or something like that. Most of the avi files out there are actually mpeg files.



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 25th at 10:28am 2004

i seem to have touched off a small forrest fire..

jeff.. try ViPlay and see how tiny it is, compared to your favored player.. when i say bulky, i don't mean its a big pile of doodoo, i mean, ViPlay is like the MP3 of movie players.. it has basic design, one touch hot-keys, mouse support for many of those, and if you wanna stretch the movie to fit your screen (sometimes the wide-screen version is poorly done) you can do so, without adjusting your monitor.. in essence ViPlay is nearly perfect.. it almost reminds me of comparing hammer editor, to UnrealEd, if that makes any sence.

crono.. i apologize for causally throwing the term avi out there, i had not realized there were 2 kinds, makes a poor design to have the same acronym for movie files.. besides even had i knew, i doubt damned few others would either.. the DivX version was the one i meant, but i have found that on occasion an Xvid files is superior.. and NO I DON'T CARE WHY

anyways, look guys, i wasn't posting to insult your player of choice, i am genuinely interested, but am only interested in players for downloaded movies.. and it has to be simpler, and more compact than ViPlay to be better.

ViPlay, beat zoom hands down..

look guys, before you get annoyed at me, try my player, then tell me its substandard, at least in this case, i have tried all but xine so far..

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