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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by $loth on Tue Apr 27th at 6:48am 2004


? posted by scary_jeff
Awsome, just found out that all telewest packages are being increased at no extra cost. Our 512k going to 750, 1 meg is going to 1.5, and 2 meg is going to 3... and nobody has to pay anything

So, is that in england??? hmmm wonder if I could get one of those 1.5 megabyte connections

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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by JFry on Tue Apr 27th at 9:44am 2004


After I moved up to dsl from 56k I was amazed at how much faster it was browsing the internet... for about a week. Somehow my browser settings are so horribly misconfigured that I sometimes think back to the days of my speedy 56k hehe. At least I think the problem is something to do with my flash settings. Although I could be way off . I've checked all the physical connections and I don't think it's the wires. DLing is fast and games play fine, so I'm pretty sure its the browser. Anyways this turned into a huge ramble and I need to go to bed but if anyone has any suggestions I'd be happy to hear them.





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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by scary_jeff on Tue Apr 27th at 10:32am 2004


Sloth, it's for telewest. They don't cover the whole of the UK, but I think you can check it on their site (blueyonder.co.uk)

It seems very unlikely that you can download at 1.2 -1.5 megabytes per second - that's a 15 megabit connection, which isn't possible using DSL or cable... Look at how it says it will take 46 minutes to finish the 380 meg download, and also says it's going at 1212.3k/sec. If it was actually going this fast, the download would be complete in 5.2 minutes! The download speed is obviously being given in kilobits per second, as 5.2 times 8 gives us around the 46 that the estimated time indicates.

It looks like all your programs are reporting download speeds in bits per second instead of the conventional bytes. If you did in fact download 700 megs in ten minutes, you have got a T3 crono




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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Orpheus on Tue Apr 27th at 11:28am 2004


jeff, i dunno how it reads, but to get the real numbers, move the decimal place one to the left..

if you converted the numbers it would be like saying a dial-up is 56k/sec when its really a 5.6k/sec ... so in this case the reported 1212.3k is really 121.23k.

final answer, my 1.5 (1500) is in reality 150.0k

theoretically, i can sustain a download of 150k per, but in reality, i have seen 200+

my old cable had 300+ on many occasions.. *sighs* when it was up that is.

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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by scary_jeff on Tue Apr 27th at 11:33am 2004


Orph, moving the decimal point divides by 10, you actually need to divide by 8 since there are 8 bits in a byte... I'm sorry but if you really did download at 300kbyte/sec, you were not on a 1.5 megabit connection, you were on a 2.5 megabit.



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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Orpheus on Tue Apr 27th at 11:37am 2004


math, smath.. you figure it then, i cannot help how the stupid thing reports it.

i have had some speedy downloads, if you wanna do it..

i downloaded the *taboo* HL in 1 hour and 23 minutes.. it was 1.4 gigs

all i am saying is, if you want to read the numbers correctly, move the damned decimal place one to the left..

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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by scary_jeff on Tue Apr 27th at 11:40am 2004


All I am saying is that that is totally baseless and incorrect

That works out as 280k/second. Like I said, you must have been on 2.5 megabit at the time. Remember that on cable they can change your connection speed without you knowing and without you having to do anything.




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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Orpheus on Tue Apr 27th at 11:42am 2004


Jeff, slow down..

i am not saying you are wrong.

i am saying, to read the numbers correctly, just move the damned decimal point

121k is a realistic number for DSL.. ignore what you know is right, and listen for a change..

jeez

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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Gwil on Tue Apr 27th at 11:45am 2004


? posted by Orpheus

theoretically, i can sustain a download of 150k per, but in reality, i have seen 200+

my old cable had 300+ on many occasions.. *sighs* when it was up that is.

never trust what the reported download speed says.. im apparently able to reach 7kb/s+ on my 56k modem smiley I think the important thing is to be thankful you actually have broadband now

unlike some of us





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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by scary_jeff on Tue Apr 27th at 11:49am 2004


Orph!! No! You think dividing by ten gives you the download speed? This just isn't true!! It may happen that in some cases, you happen to get a maximum speed that just happens to be a 10th of your conenction speed in kbit/second, but this is not a set rule of any kind. A 1.5 megabit connection can download at a little under 1536 / 8 = 192 kilobytes/second. If you get 150k/second, this does not mean that dividing by ten gives you the right speed, it means that you are not maxing out your conenction!



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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Orpheus on Tue Apr 27th at 11:51am 2004


? posted by Gwil
? posted by Orpheus

theoretically, i can sustain a download of 150k per, but in reality, i have seen 200+

my old cable had 300+ on many occasions.. *sighs* when it was up that is.

never trust what the reported download speed says.. im apparently able to reach 7kb/s+ on my 56k modem smiley I think the important thing is to be thankful you actually have broadband now

unlike some of us

keep an eye on that gwil, as i hear it, the 56k can't do that, but i too have seen well in excess of 5k

i have been told though, that the only way it can do that is if you have a partial download of the file already on hand, and the download speed is misreading whats present, with whats left..

when i was in my clan however, i sustained 12k thru ICQ, from Sweden once, for almost 30 minutes.. ICQ had always read my dial-up accurately, and the 12 was a shock.. the clanmate i was getting it from was on a t-1 and i was the only person downloading from him at that moment..

needless to say, the 12k was fun to look at, and i can say, i did NOT have any of the file in advance.. so go figure

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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by scary_jeff on Tue Apr 27th at 11:54am 2004


Modems have built in compression. If you are downloading something compressable, your apparent dowload speed will be higher than the theoretical maximum, because the data is automatically uncompressed after you recieve it. The actual data rate coming into the modem will not have gone over 7 kilobytes/second



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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Orpheus on Tue Apr 27th at 11:56am 2004


? posted by scary_jeff
Orph!! No!

*puts on patronizing face*

sure jeff.. OK

*reminds self that jeff is unable to listen*

i did NOT say you were wrong jeff, i said, the GUI was, to read it you had to read the reported number just like i said to..

forget it jeff, your letting what you KNOW, stand in the way of reality again.. to close to the forest to see the tree's

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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by scary_jeff on Tue Apr 27th at 12:12pm 2004


LOL!! OK, let's look at what the gui says:

180 megabytes to download

18 minutes, 45 seconds = 1125 seconds to download.

180 megs / 1125 seconds = 160 kilobyte/second

160 kilobytes/second * 10 (as you suggest) = 1.6 megabit/second

160 kilobytes/second * 8 (as I suggest) = 1.28 megabit/second

Now look at how the gui says '1.23 Mbps' - the gui that you are saying uses this magic 'divide by ten' rule, doesn't actually do that. You sare saying this particular gui needs to have it's figures divided by ten, but it shows no signs that this is the case, staying very close to the correct way of working out the speeds.




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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Orpheus on Tue Apr 27th at 12:23pm 2004


Jeff, has your cheese completely slid off today?

you quoted the 1212.3 ... i carried on that comment further, now suddenly to win your point, you switch to the other GUI??

jeez bud, i didn't think you were that sort

either stick to the conversation, or don't involve me in them..

all this time, i thought we were still talking about the 1212.3

i said, 121k is a realistic number for DSL

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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by scary_jeff on Tue Apr 27th at 12:31pm 2004


You were talking like that rule applied to everything - "dial-up is 56k/sec when its really a 5.6k/sec". If you only meant that that particular (the first one only) gui has this rule, perhaps because of some kind of bug or error in the program, then there's nothing to argue I couldn't use the first gui because it doesn't tell you an avergage download speed, only the current one.

I'm trying to explain that dial up is 56 kiloBITs per second, which translates into 7 kiloBYTEs per second, and that to do this, you divide by 8, not 10 as that flawed gui would suggest - the same rule applies to any connection.




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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Orpheus on Tue Apr 27th at 12:37pm 2004


thus ends, another text based conversation.. [addsig]



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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Orpheus on Tue Apr 27th at 9:54pm 2004


*bumps*

hey guys, just because Jeff and i bantered the morning away, doesn't mean the poll has ended.. i know we have more than 41 active members, and i am betting, they are not using a BBS to reply with

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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 29th at 12:40am 2004


*bumps*

/me refuses to concede defeat, i know there are more than 41 internet users here

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Re: Internet Statistics
Posted by Wild Card on Thu Apr 29th at 12:45am 2004


? posted by Orpheus

*bumps*

/me refuses to concede defeat, i know there are more than 41 internet users here

Careful the blood pressure there Jon...

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