Noah's ark?
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Re: Noah's ark?
Posted by fishy on Thu Apr 29th at 2:31am 2004


? posted by Leperous
Well, then it begs the question as to why the rules needed changing? And I don't think Jesus ever once said that the laws of the OT are "old" and not worth paying attention to, quite the opposite in fact.

the rules needed changing because society had changed. remember, the people that had these laws came from a very different age than ours.

the jews began there existance as a band of escaped slaves. the laws they had/were given were to maximise their chances of survival. in an age without penecillan or std clinics, what kind of damage do you think adultery could do to such a closed community? the idea of worshiping other gods in those times wasn't the same as would be now. other popular religions of the time advocated all sorts of 'unhealthy' practices, which would again be a danger to the jews very existance.

it's impossible to look at these laws and understand them in the context of todays society. they were becoming hard to understand 2000 years ago, as the jews had changed from a small nomadic community, living on a knife edge, to a small nation, that was living in well established towns and cities. the threat to their existance by a couple of poxy tarts was somewhat decreased, and the need to tolerate different peoples/customs was increased with demand for trade.

society had changed, the rules had changed. they never did get changed back, so there's no reason for any present day christian to go and fill a bag with rocks.





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Posted by Gollum on Thu Apr 29th at 8:39am 2004


In the Old Testament, God is the "god of the Israelites" - they are his chosen people. In the gospels of the New Testament, Jesus explicitly changes this - from then on, the Israelites have no special status; all people have an equal claim on God, and He will treat them purely by their character and not on the basis of their descent.

Unfortunately I don't have a Bible on me so I can't quote it. But look it up - it's there!

Of course, this account does not sit comfortably with certain claims about the nature of God, such as His immutability. In the Bible He is seen to "change His mind" in this way, which is a clever trick for a timeless being to pull off. Oh, but He's omnipotent so I suppose that takes care of the problem

1000 posts! So anyway, this engineer said to the duck.......

And Cash - a coda is not the same thing as a code. Anybody who followed a coda of ethics would behave quite peculiarly indeed!





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Posted by Leperous on Thu Apr 29th at 9:58am 2004


Very well. But like Gollum said, it doesn't seem compatible with the claims you make about God's nature. If he has to have a chosen tribe and can't cope with all of mankind, he doesn't seem too infinite or all-loving either?! See, this is one of the main problems I have with Christianity (and all religions), the selective nature of it- what happens to the people he does not and has not ever touched. And I suppose you'd argue too that, unlike the Israelite's laws, these new ones will apply to all of time and never get old? What does the bible say about cloning, genetic engineering, alien life? And you also cherry pick- while you're quick to denounce the 'silly' things I've pointed out, you're just as fast to pull out prophecies or 'positive' teachings from the same books...





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Re: Noah's ark?
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 29th at 10:14am 2004


? posted by Gollum

1000 posts! So anyway, this engineer said to the duck.......

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN QUACK!??" the structure of those 1000 posts is solid as a... *thwack*

[addsig]





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