*glares at lep*

watch your mouth..!!

you have never heard me say anything about bashing americans, nor i doubt will you.

the day i need to shut up, cause some mouthy kids says so will be a sad day indeed TBH.

now, as i said, i have a friend who was f**king there, its hardly a localized issue, but i do feel it is exceedingly inflammatory to pose it as such..

lep, either stay neutral, or you may shut up and show me how its done

that was totally, uncalled for.. and in all honesty, i would accept someones word whom i trust, and was there over any news feed.

*mumbles*

one of these days, you will go to far.

this is a very small excerpt from a very private email i received, i don't think its betraying any confidences, cause its nothing personal.. and considering only one person here prolly knows whom its from anyways, the quote is basically anonymous.

the only reason i quoted this at all, is because the person whom sent me this letter, is not the same person who went to war.. he sounded so much like you c**ky kids around here, it was basically stereotypical, now... he is different.

i can only attribute it to what he saw, or did, and honestly i feel he may someday need to come to terms with those visions.. but bottom-line, he has told me things about iraq, and frankly, few of the tales compare to what you guys keep posting for the rest of us to read..

i think, i will take his word for it, and let the rest of you keep reading the tripe..

i think if something can transform this c**ky kid into the person who wrote what you just read... its relevant..

1) We discuss the alleged mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners, discussion dies down

2) I post a news item relating to a similar incident supposedly carried out by British forces, in which the article points out that it is likely to be fake.

3) Orph comes in and says "if you cannot dig deeply enough to find any british/UK atrocities (which obviously exist as well), that you should not post any american ones"

3) I say, "Shut up. We were talking about the worldwide-headline-news, not bashing America."

4) You retort with "watch your mouth..!!" and have a go.

5) I point out you've called me a prick before in the past.

6) You retort by calling us "c**ky kids".

/wonders who is derailing the thread

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"US/Coalition prisoner abuse in Iraq" - posted before UK soldiers were allegedly shown undertaking the same acts.

Quote - Gwil

"Either way this is just another calamity thats going to inflame the situation between Arab nations and the West. Laced with the typical irony, hypocracy and general illegalness that dogs the Bush administration, hopefully it will spur other countries on to speak out against the USA without fear of repercussion.."

[ed- this is not an attack on american citizens. it is aimed at the army, the government and the soldiers who carried out these deeds. please note also im not saying UK soldiers are squeeky clean or anything either, im commenting on this particular story. thank you ]

Quote - Gwil

I agree though that more could be done by other countries to levy the situation, particuarly people like France (who need to repair themselves after the UN Oil For Food scandal) and Russia also....

Quote - Gwil

All i'm saying is that the US/UK administration and the US army should think about the repercussions of their approach toward policing the country, and particuarly their own forces.

Quote - Gwil

And yes, I accept you can't account for what will happen in a war, but their whole policy on rebuilding Iraq is deeply flawed (I can name other examples if people want to accuse me of being a raging lefty with an agenda against the US ) with a horrible bias for western businesses

Quote - Yak Fighter (hint)

I don't think the US administration did much planning at all for an occupation.

I shall say no more on the issue, I think these quotes highlight the relevant points perfectly well.

(and if anyone DARES to try and point out my leaning toward arguing the USA points there I point them to the fact this is a thread based on a story about American soldiers, in the american army in an american led war. Who the f**k am I supposed to talk about? Cuba?)

listen to what you just said.. jeez andrew..

if someone had said "building fire set by arsonist" it would have been the same as "gay arsonist sets building on fire???"

and, please don't act as if i would have been suddenly correct, if i had left out the "c**kY" statement either... most of you know whom, or what i am talking about.. the fact is, many of you are c**ky, its not a damned crime, its just exceedingly annoying is all.

the point is, things happen, its not localized to US of UK, or any other country, so why does the heading have to lead it that direction?

just once i would love to see either an unbiased post topic, or one that begins with someone researching a UK incident..

i realize, honest i do that the kids of the UK must think this is a topic worthy of discussing, but even my unbiased patience has its limits..

call me what you like, i could care less.. as i said, i didn't read nothing past the title, and after i saw the biased nature of it, the content became moot.. even if every single piece of it was 100% true, i turned a blind eye, because it was wrong to post it in such a light.

ask yourselves, how can someone as un-politically minded as i am care otherwise??? post government atrocities till you get blisters on your damned fingers i don't care, but even my broad nature can see the topic was pointedly US bashing.. even if its not, it says it is.

Orpheus i'd happily post topics on many issues - the IMF, world bank, zimbabwe, north korea, nafta, rwanda, the UN, changing roles of nato etc etc.. they have limited discussion potential though.

im afraid when the country is as big as the united states, its actions have repercussions all over the world, and more or less everyone will have an opinion on a large USA related issue... view it as biased if you like, im biased against illegality, war, violence and social injustice (and then some). Not America as a country or as a representation of its citizens.. when referring to the US/USA (being an ex-history student) usually (99.9% of the time) means US Government/Administration/Army.