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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri May 7th at 4:14am 2004


"i say that the script was wroten beautifully"

That is priceless dude





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Posted by Cash Car Star on Fri May 7th at 6:14am 2004


Man, I loved the first one. A bad sequel isn't enough to dishearten me.



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Posted by Gorbachev on Fri May 7th at 6:19am 2004


? posted by $loth

Too all of you, this is MY OPINION [ if you don't like it.....bah!]
IMHO pearl harbour is a great film, i say that the script was wroten beautifully, they combined a love story with an actual event, and as for the matrix, those movies aswell are great, maybe not all the time, like.....the end of revolutions.

An actual event, horribly horribly twisted out of context. (They make it seem like they bombed Tokyo right after the Harbour was bombed, but in actual fact there were months in between.)

I'm also sick of seeing the American superhero type of deal, that's probably why I enjoyed Enemy at the Gates a lot...the two main characters were potrayed at an equal level. Which I suppose also refers to the lacking in story aspect.

There are a handful of true bits and too much hollywood mumbo-jumbo. I think a lot of movies suffer from that, they could have been so much better to focus on that little bit more dialogue and less on the advertising.

Word of mouth can kill or boost movies these days, it's a powerful thing having the internet and such. And many movies have a great concept but just don't deliver.

This post is all over the place, sorry, I'm tired.

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Posted by $loth on Fri May 7th at 6:28am 2004


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I'm also sick of seeing the American superhero type of deal

the japanese bombed the sh*t out of pearl harbour, how does that make america seem like a super hero, and as for the time difference, at the bottom it shows the dates

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Posted by Gorbachev on Fri May 7th at 6:48am 2004


Not America, American...the characters and stuff. It's difficult to get into as I don't want to spend more of my life arguing about this topic. In short the movie just shows it too one-sided.

It's just too Hollywood. It reminds me of Wolfenstein, sure it was WWII...but it just felt wrong, too "Doom"-esque. Pearl Harbour was similar, sure it's WWII, but it just doesn't feel right. It's like propaganda all over again.

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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Fri May 7th at 6:55am 2004


The film was too overly dramatic and so full of hollywood patriotism that it just didn't seem real, which detaches the viewer from it quite significantly. It's just over the top melodrama in my eyes, with cool battle scenes. It could have been good if it wasn't so full of itself. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Fri May 7th at 7:02am 2004


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The film was too overly dramatic and so full of hollywood patriotism that it just didn't seem real, which detaches the viewer from it quite significantly. It's just over the top melodrama in my eyes, with cool battle scenes. It could have been good if it wasn't so full of itself.


There's a reason why Michael Bay is know for cheesy epic shots in rediculous situations (Every shot of Nicholas Cage in The Rock).

He is a prime example of a Flakey Hollywood Director. It feels as if his work is 'too' clean, almost processed. It also seems like he has no care for the final product as his movies are always raped sideways by ad campaigns and marketing deals.

I can honestly say, Michael Bay is up there on my "Hate" list. He's almost on par with Keven Smith and George Lucas on the s**tty director front.

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Man, I loved the first one

Mission Impossible 1 was bad ass. It WAS a spy movie, unlike the sequel ... and dear lord ... whoever wrote the script for MI2 needs to be shot ... not really because of the story, since it could have been delivered differently (and been good), but because of the dialog. Not to mention, in the last ten years, John Woo has forgotten how to direct (that would explain the piss poor delivery of EVERY line.) The only cool part in ALL of that movie is the very beginning on the plane, and even that scene gays it up at the end (not to degrade gays by relating them to this movie). [addsig]




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Posted by Cash Car Star on Fri May 7th at 8:35am 2004


Best quote I ever heard about the Pearl Harbor director (paraphrased): He started out directing commercials and never really stopped.



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Posted by fishy on Fri May 7th at 9:52am 2004


all of the pearl harbour/top gun drivel that wants to use lots of US military hardware, needs to be approved by the US military, so it ends up as propaganda.

dunno what excuse the matrix series has though.





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Posted by scary_jeff on Fri May 7th at 10:06am 2004


I don't really care about the crazily pro-america war films, I mean, surely by now we are all used to it? You have to assume with any hollywood film about an actual event, that it is not based on the actual event at all, that way you can actually enjoy the film without getting pissed off that it gets almost every historical aspect wrong



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Posted by Gwil on Fri May 7th at 1:27pm 2004


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Hey I liked Pearl Harbor

*tries not to fall about laughing* You mean you actually class that monstrosity as a film?

The history isn't really important to the film, as it's hard to concentrate with the hammy acting, poor dialogue, overblown explosions and cheesy drama

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Posted by $loth on Fri May 7th at 2:05pm 2004


Damn...look at what i've started

/puts hands in head and shakes it from side to side

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Posted by Cassius on Fri May 7th at 4:56pm 2004


? posted by Gorbachev

Not America, American...the characters and stuff. It's difficult to get into as I don't want to spend more of my life arguing about this topic. In short the movie just shows it too one-sided.

Yes, we really need a movie dedicated to the Japanese heroes who bombed civillians and soldiers almost totally without resistence.

A few points:

- The Rock kicked your ass.

- 'Dramatic movie' is a redundant statement. Movies are supposed to be dramatic, or you wouldn't watch them.

- The ending of the Matrix Revolutions, I thought, was really well done - EVEN the sunrise.

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Posted by Cash Car Star on Fri May 7th at 6:07pm 2004


You can have comedic movies as a counter to dramatic movies.

I think The Rock is going to stand as an exception to the rule with Michael Bay movies.





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Posted by Crono on Sat May 8th at 2:14am 2004


By far The Rock is his best movie. I was pointing out the epic-michael-bay-rotate-around-nicholas-cage shots. Those are redicluous. Almost every shot of Cage in that movie is overly epic.

I didn't say the ending to Revolutions was bad, Cass. I said that the a couple snippets of the dialog was cheesy ... The sunset was overdone, but not to the point that I'd not watch it or something, because it doesn't destroy anything else the film sets up. [addsig]




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat May 8th at 2:48am 2004


i would venture a guess, that out opinions about movies, are never gonna balance out [addsig]




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