Complete b0rkage :(
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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by fraggard on Sat May 8th at 2:59am 2004


My PC has completely stopped working. I know that some of you have worked with the hardware before and I thought you might know what to do. Anyway, here's the scenario:

Someone brought an annoying game, and tried playing it. It worked for a while, then the computer suddenly restarted. So they decided to play it again. It restarted again, so their solution was simple. Re boot, and play the game AGAIN. The third time around, it just shut down, and didn't restart. I wasn't at home when this was happening, so I couldn't stop him.

Now, he had the sense to just leave everything and go away. When I tried to power on the machine , the power light went on, but nothing else happened. Nothing. No activity of any sort. I thought it might be a graphics card problem, so I shut down, and opened up the case. I took out the card and used the default one on my motherboard. It didn't make any difference at all.

I realised that that was pointless. Then I noticed that when I power on, the case fan and the CPU fan just go on for about a second and then stop running. The motherboard is still recieving power (light on the board is on) but there is still no activity. I just tried to unplug the RAM module and put it back, and still no difference.

Anyway, this is definitely not something I can fix. Does anyone have any ideas on what might be wrong?

I've not installed any new hardware. PC is a P4 2.4 with 256 MB Ram. I'm at my wits end, so any help would be appreciated. I can't think of anything other than a problem with some IDE device... I've to still check that out.





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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Crono on Sat May 8th at 3:11am 2004


This happened to my moms computer last year. It turned out that the processor fried somehow. It wasn't because of the CPU fan though.

So, it sounds like your CPU croaked. I suggest taking the CPU out and looking at it (and other parts in your computer like your RAM) for burn marks. [addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Orpheus on Sat May 8th at 3:16am 2004


may be unrelated but..

my old K62 400 had a rescue disc.. all you needed to do was, put it into the cd/rom, and reboot.

it would wipe the PC and all was well.

my son bought a game.., cannot recall the name, but its unimportant.. the reason i mention it was this, if you left the game cd in the cd/rom it would partially reformat the comp.. not in any way that required you to verify any of it, but enuff to cause the comp to be unable to boot.. no amount of fixing would salvage the system.. you were forced to reformat ..

as i said, its prolly not related, but i need to ask, have you attempted a reformat?

have you attempted a safe-mode boot?

have you pressed the appropriate "F?" key to enter setup and set it back to "default"

these are all shots in the dark, but its a start..

hope it helps..

[addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Wild Card on Sat May 8th at 3:16am 2004


If its the CPU thats a pretty s**tty situation there.. Check to make sure the motherboard didnt burn either where the CPU socket it.

it could also be a dead CMOS battery... very unlikely but it could be.

My solution, get whoever was using that computer to pay for a new CPU or whatever repair the computer needs.

[addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Orpheus on Sat May 8th at 3:18am 2004


? posted by Wild Card

My solution, get whoever was using that computer to pay for a new CPU or whatever repair the computer needs.

if its a sibling, it defeats this, cause mom and dad will buy it..

[addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Wild Card on Sat May 8th at 3:19am 2004


Oh, and did you check your system head to toe for any loose connections? You'd be suprised... I when I installed my new CPU and ram back in January, after I had installed them, the computer wouldnt boot, same senario as you... 'cept the problem was genious me didnt plug in the IDE cable to the hard drive. [addsig]



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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Crono on Sat May 8th at 3:23am 2004


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may be unrelated but..

my old K62 400 had a rescue disc.. all you needed to do was, put it into the cd/rom, and reboot.

it would wipe the PC and all was well.

my son bought a game.., cannot recall the name, but its unimportant.. the reason i mention it was this, if you left the game cd in the cd/rom it would partially reformat the comp.. not in any way that required you to verify any of it, but enuff to cause the comp to be unable to boot.. no amount of fixing would salvage the system.. you were forced to reformat ..

as i said, its prolly not related, but i need to ask, have you attempted a reformat?

have you attempted a safe-mode boot?

have you pressed the appropriate "F?" key to enter setup and set it back to "default"

these are all shots in the dark, but its a start..

hope it helps..


Your hearts in the right place, Orph. But, to no avail.

If the situation was described properly. It is NOT starting at all. As in the computer gets power for 1/2 a second and stops. Which means he gets nothing on the screen.

This is a huge flashing sign that the CPU is funked up. Because, even if your system had messed up RAM it would start and then give an error ... but the CPU is needed to do ANY operation thus the on-off effect.


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the problem was genious me didnt plug in the IDE cable to the hard drive.


...Did you have some weird feature enabled? It should boot with no HD attached just fine. It will whine like crazy, but it would boot BIOS and such.

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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Wild Card on Sat May 8th at 3:25am 2004


Wouldnt BIOS yell out some series of beeps to tell you your CPU is br0ked. [addsig]



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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Crono on Sat May 8th at 3:28am 2004


WC .... please, rethink and edit your post.

If you're confused as to why let me ask you this: How can BIOS be ran if there is no way to run ANY operation? (Short of having a Duel Processing computer, in which case this wouldn't be as big of a problem) [addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Orpheus on Sat May 8th at 3:46am 2004


crono, the situation i described, when it happened to me.. left my screen blank, and a cursor flashing endlessly.. if its software related (which even i doubt) its solvable with a reformat..

if its genuinely hardware related (and the game situation a coincidence) Mr. Fragman is screwed..

if its bios related.. he can maybe reset it to default.

all are probable outcomes

[addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Crono on Sat May 8th at 4:25am 2004


No, Orph, I'm sorry they aren't all probable outcomes.

And here's why:
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Then I noticed that when I power on, the case fan and the CPU fan just go on for about a second and then stop running. The motherboard is still recieving power (light on the board is on) but there is still no activity.


There is most likely some burnt goods in the computer. Either the CPU or Motherboard. But I'm thinking it's the processor.

I never said that your situation was incorrect, I just said that this is not a software issue. I'm actually rather confused as to why you brought it up lol. [addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Forceflow on Sat May 8th at 6:19am 2004


Hmm ... does anything look burned or something ? Maybe you could take out a piece of RAM-memory, could be broken. Check your power cable too ...



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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Orpheus on Sat May 8th at 7:31am 2004


Crono, you read worse than Lep and Jeff combined... i fear, its a case of, you simply MUST argue, and it makes you blind..

? posted by Crono
No, Orph, I'm sorry they aren't all probable outcomes.

And here's why:
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Then I noticed that when I power on, the case fan and the CPU fan just go on for about a second and then stop running. The motherboard is still recieving power (light on the board is on) but there is still no activity.


? posted by Orpheus

crono, the situation i described, when it happened to me.. left my screen blank, and a cursor flashing endlessly.. if its software related (which even i doubt) its solvable with a reformat..

if its genuinely hardware related (and the game situation a coincidence) Mr. Fragman is screwed..

if its bios related.. he can maybe reset it to default.

all are probable outcomes

[addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Crono on Sat May 8th at 8:05am 2004


I completly understood, Orph.

I was just pointing out that this is not software related ... as you kept saying "it might be" that's all.

I don't like arguing, believe me.
Also, I wasn't arguing in this entire thread. I had the impression that you were fixed on the idea that it wasn't the processor, which it is (if it isnt I'll be surprised, but it's definatly hardware, at the very least). That's all.
Sorry if it seemed like I was being a dick or something like that. I was just trying to clairify, but sadly, most of my clairification efforts are taking the wrong way ... or read improperly ... I don't know which.

Also, I'm still confused as to where you think I'm being blind. Maybe I'm missreading your post ... I can highlight the remarks I'm refering too in red if you like ... [addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by $loth on Sat May 8th at 8:17am 2004


My solution... slap the person who did this[it will make you feel better] and then fix the prob, my freinds pc broke a week ago because his friend mucked about with it too much and broke the mother board. he slaped the person who did it and he felt better

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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Orpheus on Sat May 8th at 8:26am 2004


Crono, i wouldn't change you for nothin in the world bud.. i think, the reason you keep being misunderstood, is cause you are trying to hard to fix stuff thats not wrong enuff to be worth the effort.

That makes you seem argumentative.

allow yourself, the right, to be misunderstood, it makes you more human.

stop trying so hard to be perfect.

if you stop looking for other peoples wrongs, and concentrate on the portion they might be correct in, you may find some common ground.

i like you, just the way you are.

be good

[addsig]




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Rumple on Sat May 8th at 8:56am 2004


i like $loth's idea [addsig]



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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Leperous on Sat May 8th at 10:14am 2004


Well I'm with Crono on this one- Orph, you didn't seem to read that his PC just wouldn't turn on in the first place, and your single relevant piece of info, that "he is screwed", is hardly helpful, and I don't see why you're having a go at Crono for anything. But anyway that doesn't matter.

First of all, obviously check all cables and gubbins are plugged in properly- I had the exact same problem as you, with a (new) PC that suddenly decided to stop working, I can't remember exactly what the problem was but it was related to overheating. I broked it though so had to take it back...

When you turn on a PC it does a quick power check to test voltages etc., which apparently takes up to half a second. I think it should only reset if it fails this though? It then loads up the BIOS and checks for a graphics card. CMOS is loaded after the memory test, so I doubt it's the CMOS battery. So maybe you just have a knackered BIOS, or the processor is fried. Either way, solution is to take it in to someone to look at if you're not up to trying a different power supply or motherboard etc...





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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by scary_jeff on Sat May 8th at 10:40am 2004


A good thing to try is to take out all your PCI cards and unplug all extra drives - I think it is a possibility that the power supply has given up, and so reducing the load as much as possible might allow the thing to start. Also the way it gradually failed leads me to believe that the CPU is not fried - a CPU is generally either 'fried, or 'not fried', there is no 'a bit fried' which would allow it to turn on again after it crashed during a game. That's assuming it didn't overheat, but you say the CPU fan is spinning and stuff. I suppose a final possibility is that the voltage regulators on the motherboard have given up... they should be pretty close to the CPU, and if they have died, I would expect some burning around them.

So, see if you can try someone elses PSU (don't try your PSU on somebody elses PC, if the PSU is broken, you don't want to break their system!), as this is a definate possibility, and the cheapest thing to replace. Then it might be nice if you are able to try your CPU in somebody elses PC. By testing these two things you can conclude whether the problem is the motherboard, the processor, or the PSU.




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Re: Complete b0rkage :(
Posted by Wild Card on Sat May 8th at 11:18am 2004


Heres an acheivement... Orph and Crono... arguing... but not in a thread started by me [addsig]




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