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Posted by Leperous on Mon May 10th at 12:25pm 2004


I'd like to see more 'respect' towards teachers and whatnot in schools, like they have in some Asian countries. But, er, that's not really infrastructure is it... neither is a space elevator, yet... hmm there isn't a great deal really except a few laws and social changes.



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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Mon May 10th at 12:32pm 2004


a country to be proud of once again? oh wait, thats out of the question [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 10th at 12:37pm 2004


this may be slightly off topic, but i would like to see other countries viewing each other as they are, not as the news reels depict them..

i am so tired of the idea that americans are inherently evil.. most of us just survive the daily drudgery of life with little time left over for being evil to another nation

if nothing else, i would truly like to read a statement, that blames the real culprits.. i do not blame the entire island of england, for the damned beatles, why can't other share this concept

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Posted by Leperous on Mon May 10th at 1:11pm 2004


What, what are you on about now? Where did that come from?! I think we've said a million times before we don't hate Americans, just generally your government





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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 10th at 1:15pm 2004


? posted by Leperous

What, what are you on about now? Where did that come from?! I think we've said a million times before we don't hate Americans, just generally your government

what are you on period.. you think this question just pertains to snarkpit? or are you suffering withdrawls from some overdose?

get over it lep.. there is a world outside this site.. i assumed the question was for all wishes, i see the news on TV and my comment is valid, and a real wish i hold dear..

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Posted by Leperous on Mon May 10th at 1:31pm 2004


No, but do you think that the views expressed here are simply ramblings of a few people in the minority? People in the West in general don't hate American people. It is your government and huge corporations which people mainly have a problem with. Anyway, what do you think about the average Arab or Chinese or African person? Are you completely innocent of "returning the feeling"?

And no offence, but American news is hardly unbiased or relevant to anything outside the American sphere. I find it quite hypocritical that you try to tell me "there is a world outside this site"- have you ever left your own country, seen poverty in Mexico perhaps?- along with your "most of us just survive the daily drudgery of life" comment, coming from someone who lives in the most well-off nation in the world.





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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 10th at 1:42pm 2004


? posted by Leperous

No, but do you think that the views expressed here are simply ramblings of a few people in the minority? People in the West in general don't hate American people. It is your government and huge corporations which people mainly have a problem with. Anyway, what do you think about the average Arab or Chinese or African person? Are you completely innocent of "returning the feeling"?

And no offence, but American news is hardly unbiased or relevant to anything outside the American sphere. I find it quite hypocritical that you try to tell me "there is a world outside this site", along with your "most of us just survive the daily drudgery of life" comment, coming from someone who lives in the most well-off nation in the world.

i honestly do not know how to answer this post adequately lep.. i realize others perceive the USA as well off, but i can take you anyplace within 25 miles of my house and show you hungry children.. the concept of us bing well off is fictitious.. it may be true that there are far worse places in the world, but the average american is most definitely NOT well off..

old people eating dog food out of cans, because our medical is so outragous..

you truly have no idea, and truly have no damned opinion at all i believe, because you have seen so little of the US and judge it all according to its limited scope.

for us to be a 1st world country, we have homelessness, hunger, diseases, and crime that is bordering on 3rd world..

as i said, i cannot answer you in a way to make it clear to you, but its far from the garden of eden around here.. and i find it extremely offensive when people whom do not live here are so sure its otherwise..

when was the last time, you heard me say anything even remotely positive about the living conditions of the UK?? never is the answer, but so many here talk as as if they have 1st hand knowledge of our life styles..

i admit, the US has its perks, but its tough.. for most of us, and i would truly appreciate it if you accept my word on it, and stop acting as if i make this s**t up..

i cannot compare my life to the average easterner, stop comparing yourself to mine..

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Posted by OtZman on Mon May 10th at 1:49pm 2004


I would like nicer weather here in Sweden like in many other countries. The weather's quite nice here right now because it's spring/summer but in the autumn and winter the weather suxs .

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I also want anime to be broadcast on TV like in Japan ^_^

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Posted by Leperous on Mon May 10th at 1:54pm 2004


? posted by Orpheus

for us to be a 1st world country, we have homelessness, hunger, diseases, and crime that is bordering on 3rd world..

So does every country in the world. You should see bad bits of the ones which are third world. You may also realise that I have been to America a number of times and am not simply being an armpit 'critic' of the average American in any way. But thanks for derailing the thread





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Posted by OtZman on Mon May 10th at 2:03pm 2004


? posted by Leperous
I'd like to see more 'respect' towards teachers and whatnot in schools, like they have in some Asian countries.

I agree... and towards elder too

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Posted by Gwil on Mon May 10th at 2:14pm 2004


Indeed, I think we need to define that nobody here in the UK (from these forums, at least, I can certainly note there is a plethora of racists in this fine nation) "hates Americans" or "blames Americans" for the evils of the world - we simply acknowledge and recognise that the USA, the former USSR, the UK, the EU are no better than each other.

You cannot deny the fact that past US/UK/USSR politicians/statesmen have a lot to answer for in terms of historical and present day failings - there is no two ways about it if you have any sense of humanity or morals.

Like Lep says, we have problems with multinational corporations near enough extorting large amounts of money in exchanged for subsidised goods produced at home in the Western countries. So while we live a life of luxury and excess (in many senses of the word, overproduction is a huge problem which wastes millions of dollars/pounds a year - and leaves grain to rot while thousands starve in the third world style states).

Likewise we have issues with governments lying to their people and ordering wars with dubious motives and bad planning, whilst the domestic agenda goes down the pan and yet again, ?/$'s are wasted for evil and not good. I wouldn't flatter yourself and say the attacks are on the USA, we attack the dubious morals of most Western governments and their attitude to the rest of the world (as well as non-"Western" states, but people generally discuss issues relevant to them).

It just so happens that America and its respective administration at the time is the "accepted leader" of the free world as it were, and so leads by example - and has the power to do a lot of good for the world. We are not carrying a torch for Communism or liberalism, we're speaking out against what we feel is unacceptable behaviour by ALL civilised countries of the world, not just the USA.

And yes certainly, no offence intended but American news/media is heavily isolationist, so CNN/NBC/ABC never really report *all* the news - that's an issue for your country, not me ^_^ Here in the UK, France, germany etc etc news is national and internationally based, so I think it is almost a dead certainty that the learned new generation will take issue with what they feel is wrong, and right. If you can't accept the fact that America is the leading country in the world, and sometimes we are well within our rights to question them as the purveyors of freedom and liberty - when they seem to be pursuing an agenda far from that idealistic view.

I think you have to bite the bullet and accept that we have a right to speak out against the US/UK/Swaziland (ok so maybe not them ) government as we see fit and appropriate. If there was no dialogue or criticism, how would we advance past our common problems faced with international trade and politics?

The simple fact is, we wouldn't. If you crush or silence the people who think objectively and morally about making the world a better place, you do no favours to yourself or humanity.

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Edit: personally I carry my personal "torch" of attacking the westernised countries and other economic powers of the world for their downright inexcusable lack of action on the millions of people suffering in the world, whilst we lead a life of decadence, excess and greed.

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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 10th at 2:17pm 2004


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for us to be a 1st world country, we have homelessness, hunger, diseases, and crime that is bordering on 3rd world..

So does every country in the world. You should see bad bits of the ones which are third world. You may also realize that I have been to America a number of times and am not simply being an armpit 'critic' of the average American in any way. But thanks for derailing the thread

asshole.. do you realize, that every time you screw the dog, you blame it on someone else??

sure you had every right to call me on what i said, but the methods you employ are f**king ridiculous.. and you have the audacity to place blame on me??

my comment was legit, it had nothing whatsoever to do with snarkpit, yet you chose to make it so..

your visits are hardly conclusive, 1st off, the fact that you had the damned money to get from there to here dictates that you hardly saw the poorer realities of the life most of us leads.. i couldn't go there afterall, yet i live in the most "WELL OFF COUNTRY" what a f**king joke..

lep, it would be best if you kept your mouth shut about things you know so little about, and let the grownups worry about it.. cause seriously, your opinions are not only biased, they are skewed from a standpoint of how you acquired them.. if you have enough money to go overseas for whatever reason, you prolly have no idea how, or what poor people have to endure..

now i assume you will focus on my ageism comment, but that your problem, not mine, or anyone else who may feel you slighted us.. deal with it, it would after all be the adult thing to do..

i am telling you for the last time, stop acting as if you are in the know about life in the USA, just cause you visited.. you have no concept at all, or at least as little as i have about your fair country..

i derailed it... screw your concept of derailment..

don't push me on this lep, i will not bite my tongue if you falsely accuse me even once more.. i have been very patient to now.. and am advising you as best i can.. stick to the issues at hand, and leave your visits out of it.

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Posted by Leperous on Mon May 10th at 2:40pm 2004


Why do you always have to drag these things down into a bitch fest? You always seem to complain about how people view America- in this thread, at least you admitted it was off topic, and there is nothing wrong or new with doing so. Did my use of the smiley drive you over the edge and get nasty, and ask me if I was suffering from drug withdrawl or don't have a life? And I can take you 100m or 25 miles or whatever from where I am and show you homeless people who will mostly live in poverty too, as you can do anywhere in the world, but that wasn't the point. I am sick of your "older than you and know more than you" attitude which you constantly employ; I never once said or meant "oh well I've travelled around a lot and seen a lot of poverty so I can occupy the moral highground", I am merely defending against you claiming that I know nothing of the world by saying that I have seen a lot of the world and poverty, which I guess you haven't outside your own skewed media. And what have I accused you of, bar turning this thread into some kind of arguethon- did that offend you more than anything else in this thread?!





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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 10th at 3:01pm 2004


what offends me is when you so easily shift blame, cause the thread went astray "after" you posted, not before.

your travels give you a perspective, not a realistic viewpoint by any means.. the fact that you were able to visit america dictates you have wealth above average americans.. i would imagine that the vast majority could never do so..

my point was general up to your ill thought out 1st reply.. it sounded like the dementia that drug abusers might employ.. if you do not want to be accused of acting weird, dont act it..

i bring up age, cause it strikes a cord with you, truth hurts in many cases, its up to you to decide how badly it wounded you.. if my references to ages effected you none at all, my comment would have been unjustified.. since it bothers you.. GUESS WHAT

you dig your own hole, its just my place to point out you are about to tumble inside it..

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Posted by Gollum on Mon May 10th at 3:20pm 2004


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your travels give you a perspective, not a realistic viewpoint by any means.. the fact that you were able to visit america dictates you have wealth above average americans.. i would imagine that the vast majority could never do so..

There's something I like to call, "the fallacy of experience" in that argument.

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch........





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Posted by Gwil on Mon May 10th at 3:04pm 2004


Is that an actual famous verse Gollum? it rings a bell..

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Posted by flashman on Mon May 10th at 3:23pm 2004


? posted by Gwil

Is that an actual famous verse Gollum? it rings a bell..


"If" by Rudyard Kipling.




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Posted by Kain on Mon May 10th at 3:25pm 2004


My country is extremely pissant. We have practically everything to envy to western countries, except maybe climate... Still, I'm lucky not to be born in China: dunno a single word of chinese!

...why do I have the impression that all the threads finally turn into US vs UK wars?





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Posted by Gollum on Mon May 10th at 3:31pm 2004


? posted by Kain

...why do I have the impression that all the threads finally turn into US vs UK wars?

Because they do.





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Posted by Gwil on Mon May 10th at 3:49pm 2004


Dont tar me with that UK brush I refuse to recognise this illegal coalition of states! [addsig]




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