Posted by ReNo on Tue May 11th at 10:23pm 2004
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Posted by Cassius on Tue May 11th at 10:24pm 2004
Actually, I thought what Vash said was hilarious. Sure, weapon renders are better than nothing, but it seems thats all people have to show; these kind fellows here don't even have that. You haven't even bothered to tell us what RTK stands for (I went to the website; apparently it means 'Random Team Killers.' By the way, you know you're dealing with a high caliber developer when their tiling background is one of the most common metal textures on the internet. Hooray!)
RTK, if your mod consists of more than a few team members and some half-assed forum posts, show me. If your corporate orcs are truly awe-inspiring, then of course I'll give you the respect that such work would deserve. Neither here, nor on your forums, nor on your website, have you a single picture or a download. So what's this mod made of? Text. So far, half of that text has been used to call me an idiot. Congratulations - you're an ass. Teehee!
I don't think at all that it's pointless to make a mod for HL2, seeing as how we already know how easily the transition is from this engine to the next; however, the idiot clause evidently extends to 'all people who criticize RTK.' It's been a long time since I've had to say so, but feigning honesty is not what I do, especially not when I'm insulted.
Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 11th at 10:24pm 2004
| ? posted by ReNo |
| Seriously though, I too think the story sounds a bit...odd...but to me that isn't the issue at hand - its the way in which a perfectly justified and polite request on a forum managed to get utterly flamed in the first page. Its not a very good introduction for newcomers, and its not a very good indication of the community we have here. |
i agree whole heartedly.. as i said, i am as unbiased as it can get.. vash was completely OTT, but two wrongs??? it always has been my understanding that its still not right.
vash and cass are 2 of my best friends here, but i would have sided whole heartedly with the newcomer.. why did i wait?? i wanted to see what they were made of first.
my comments till today have completely ignored the rude comments from both cass and vash, deliberately..
retaliatory comments were expected, but the delivery system was what i waited to see.. i didn't like it..
anywhos.. i now have my opinion on how it will go, and posted it in the previous comment..
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Posted by scary_jeff on Tue May 11th at 10:26pm 2004
Posted by Gollum on Tue May 11th at 10:29pm 2004
I think part of the problem is this: people believe in their right to say what they think, so they go ahead and say it. They also believe in their right to say it in as direct and potentially inflammatory way as they choose. The justification for this is that "if the newcomer can't cope with brutal honesty, then he shouldn't be here."
We all have a right to state our views, but a little self-censorship in the cause of happier relations can work wonders ![]()
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Posted by scary_jeff on Tue May 11th at 10:31pm 2004
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| If your corporate orcs are truly awe-inspiring, then of course I'll give you the respect that such work would deserve. |
Nonsense. You assume that the mod is crap, having to your own admission, seen nothing of it. Perhaps the more reasonable approach would be to cut the guy some slack, and at least wait until you have seen something before attacking him. Innocent until proven guilty, I say
Posted by Cassius on Tue May 11th at 10:38pm 2004
If you'll excuse my pessimism, yes, the mod is crap; don't tell me you haven't seen this exact same situation happen before, and don't tell me that it always ends in failure. What you quoted from me is absolutely true; if their work is good, I would have no reason to dislike it. They have no work. What they do have is terrible. That's what I judge it from, and, yes, I do make the conclusion from there that the mod will indeed be substandard if finished.
And yes, I do believe in my right to say what I think in as direct an inflammatory manner as I so choose. I've been getting soft, but this is hardly most 'direct and inflammatory' as I've been.
[addsig]Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 11th at 10:38pm 2004
| ? posted by Gollum |
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I think part of the problem is this: people believe in their right to say what they think, so they go ahead and say it. They also believe in their right to say it in as direct and potentially inflammatory way as they choose. The justification for this is that "if the newcomer can't cope with brutal honesty, then he shouldn't be here." |
this was indeed the culprit mike, justifiably so.. but as i said, i was curious to see how it was taken..
my only addition, we know cass and vash, we tend to overlook questionable replies, because we know their history, and its not completely a loss as far as the history is concerned..
perhaps in this one instance, an admin might have suggested that vash rephrase his comment.. i dunno..
still if the trial by fire works... i survived mikee, and he was by far worse than cass and vash combined. lets see how this plays out.. actually i see it as a win/win scenario, if they stay we get quality people, if they leave we lost nothin.
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Posted by ReNo on Tue May 11th at 10:40pm 2004
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Posted by scary_jeff on Tue May 11th at 10:46pm 2004
But I will change what I said. The more reasonable approach is to cut the guy some slack.
Just because there is a general trend of mods not getting finished, it doesn't mean every mod that starts off with weapon renders is doomed to crash and burn.
Posted by Cassius on Tue May 11th at 10:50pm 2004
Reno, Jeff, come now - you must understand that you have no right to say that; it's far too direct, inflammatory even - and that's just sad.
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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue May 11th at 11:08pm 2004
Let's all have a group hug now. I will refrain from saying what I truly think of this mod and this poster after having looked at the website and his/her's replies here, and instead again say good luck in your future endeavours Mr. rtk-team. May you make a hit mod and prove many of us wrong.
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Posted by ReNo on Tue May 11th at 11:16pm 2004
Are you people so closed off to outsiders now that the slightest word against an existing member means the newbie is crucified, regardless of how justified those words are? [addsig]
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Posted by scary_jeff on Tue May 11th at 11:21pm 2004
... again ...
Hey Reno, if you do start up ELVA again, maybe I could be your 'yes man'
Posted by ReNo on Tue May 11th at 11:23pm 2004
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Posted by Cassius on Tue May 11th at 11:34pm 2004
I believe his first direct reply to what I said was to call me a loud mouthed idiot; it went downhill from there. If you believe my response to that was unjust, or that I was too negative initially, I haven't a chance of convincing you otherwise.
However, I would never expect anyone, much less you two, to call me a pathetic idiot under any circumstance.
Love and peace,
your friendly neighborhood Cassius
Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue May 11th at 11:37pm 2004
| ? posted by ReNo |
| Jeez, how the hell can people have ANYTHING against the poster in this situation?! He came along to a forum, asked a simple question in a perfectly refined and polite manner, and got pounced on by flamers. His first reply to these didn't even come across in an argumentative fashion, he simply played a low tone retort, thanked the supportive few, and was done with it. Given the posts by cass and vash (in particular), I believe most people would have resorted to much more insulting come backs! Are you people so closed off to outsiders now that the slightest word against an existing member means the newbie is crucified, regardless of how justified those words are? |
Ok, I'll analyze the situation and explain my post.
Ignoring his responses to the harsher and probably unnecessary comments from Vash and Cass, he still managed to call anyone who questioned working on the mod before the release idiots instead of offering a different viewpoint. He couldn't manage to tell the difference between discussion and two posts of 'flames'. He tells people to grow up because they innocently questioned the necessity to having a team name instead of an individual name. He even admits to not reading two of the first three pages and continued to make incorrect comments about the community here. Basically the first guy sounds incredibly arrogant (the second guy who posted a little bit in sounded cool, he should probably be the spokesman instead
) and did a poor job of promoting his mod. Granted he probably wouldn't have gotten far anyways given the people here, but he was doomed from the start.
As for the flames: most people would be able to understand this is the internet and what is said on the internet has no bearing on the real world. To get all worked up and insulted about something someone else typed on a message board is rather sad.
Also, given the attitude of the poster as I have interpreted via his posts, he's (self censored as to not be accused of 'insulting' 'flames'). I don't think anyone here is really defending Cass, he can defend himself. My personal opinion of this poster has nothing to do with his newness or his replies to Cass or Vash. It's everything else. So, there's no animosity towards new posters, just morons.
I've got my box of tissues ready to sop up my tears when I get flamed for my opinion and get so crushed by it that I wonder why I even bother.
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Posted by scary_jeff on Tue May 11th at 11:45pm 2004
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| To get all worked up and insulted about something someone else typed on a message board is rather sad. |
Yes, exactly as sad as getting all abusive at somebody who you will never see in reality, just because they have a mod idea that you don't like.
Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue May 11th at 11:50pm 2004
| ? posted by scary_jeff | ||
Yes, exactly as sad as getting all abusive at somebody who you will never see in reality, just because they have a mod idea that you don't like. |
...and if you'll notice I never got all abusive at him or his mod. The point is if you can't take criticism, no matter how harsh, you should probably find a new hobby. I hear fishing is fun. No one complains because the fish can't talk.
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