yak said the same thing i said, only mush better..

reno and jeff, you seem almost as far left extreme as cass and vash were right..

everything you said was spot on, except it was all based off the pretext that there must be a reckoning for all the wrongs this thread has incurred.

if, if.. what a massively understated word..

forget cass, forget vash and forget the new guy.. what is left?? many honest, and either unbiased, or if biased, explained in an unoffensive manner..

forget what i posted even.. you have yak and gollum to draw an opinion from.. both proven defenders of justice.. when justice requires them to do so..

if i might draw your attention to an older post..

this sums up my perspective..

I don't think any of the issues raised here are the point (/2cents).

I'd be more annoyed at the fact that someone would register, solely for selfless promotion of something - without even a hint of interacting with a community. I've been using forums for nigh on 7 years now, and have come to realise that they exist as an entity, a whole new social community - and people will react just as they would to a person walking into a group of friends and immediately shouting and screaming their thoughts/opinions/messages without taking the time to get the feel of a board/friendship group etc etc..

It's an issue of "netiquette" as it were IMO, and there a few "faux pas's" that have been commited here, but nothing warranting admin action or the sort, more a case of "you live and learn".

P.S. particuarly bad is registering under a "mod/band/clan" name as one entity, always goes down like a lead balloon, at least in my personal experience on the vast intarweb.

Tolerance and more importantly, decency and respect for peoples opinions is the key to a "well lubed" board.. (again, /2cents)

edit: plus obvious small amounts of trolling (from the established condesceding/the permanent troll/the newbie troll) /admin "questions" and "hot topics"/common flamewars.. all the ingredients of a forum

edit edit: plus liberal use of "/"

Which is why there's so much strife and conflict in the real world today! There's too many different ideologies, economic levels, and power discrepancies for real peace. Using the realism theory of international politics, we can plainly see that the forums are in an anarchic state in a multipolar power distribution (not counting the mods), and that will lead to a greater amount of inter-poster conflict. Some posters will ally together in an attempt to increase their power against another foe in an attempt to defeat them, and...

Sorry, I'll stop now.

Edit: Kage, we wouldn't have anything else to talk about.

jeff, the hardest thing for me (and i assume everyone) is to forget friendships, where horrible wrongs are concerned..

i think the point here everyone is missing is, allow the new guy, and vash to hash it out.. we seem to have drawn un-necessary battle lines.. there is a history here involving everyone save the new guy..

this doesn't mean he must be abused to fit in, but up to a point he was innocent.. from that point on HE WAS A PARTICIPANT

there was no need to draw lines.. cass is a respected member.. tell him your feelings, not your viewpoint about the new guy.. let the new guy defend himself till the conditions warrant otherwise.

the conversation was "tit for tat" till a few started attacking pit members..

i feel vash and cass erred, i also feel jeff and reno over-reacted..

everyone else.. was very high on the middle ground.. a position all respected pit members should have remain upon..

Pfft, your subliminal messages don't work on me, you fiend!

jeff, we are on the same side of this discussion, i am just handling it differently..

i see all sides, but chose (this time) to stay on the moral middle ground.

*puts hands on hips*

calling me a liar dear gwil?

point to one reply in this entire thread where i strayed from dead center?