I have noticed a definite trend of late.
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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 11th at 1:25pm 2004


snarkpit more/less has two rating systems, personal ratings and mapping ones..

i think we should set a standard for which is which, and stick to it somehow.. course i realize, no ones gonna know for sure who voted what, but still the honor system should prevail eventually.

the reason i post this is, we have members who have joined quite recently, good people all i am sure, but so far, have contributed nothing substantial to the site, yet they have personal ratings rivaling our best..

people, if john doe has a supreme map rate it so, but that doesn't make him a 5/5 member of the pit for gods sake :/

use your noggins people, the rating system is just a token item if you don't use it properly, or fail respect it enuff to not use it at all..

eventually, if the system fails to give an accurate account often enuff, it may be removed.. many sites have stopped posting any sort of a rating system cause members mis-used it.. i would hate to see this occur here..

/ 2 cents

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Gwil on Tue May 11th at 1:31pm 2004


TBH the main problem is people don't use rating systems, I know I don't use them religiously - as they are effectively rendered redundant by lack of user participation in such schemes. A good idea, but people are too busy doing their own thing to take the extra 5 seconds to acknowledge input and contribution to a site.

As you say, /2 cents

but yes - I agree, if you rate people, rate them based on their contribution and interaction levels to the site, not how good a mapper they are. That's what you rate their maps for

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by ReNo on Tue May 11th at 1:41pm 2004


Ooops, I was actually of the understanding it was meant to show that user's overall mapping skill, so I've been using it wrong for a long time now Sorry guys, I'll make some changes where I see a big difference in what they should be rated in light of this info! [addsig]



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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Leperous on Tue May 11th at 1:45pm 2004


Reno is right, it's meant to be what you think of that person as a mapper. And yes so some people might 'abuse' it, but who really cares, you'll probably end up with a rating averaging/reflecting on it anyway. Orph I don't really understand what you're going on about, perhaps a few examples..?



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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 11th at 1:46pm 2004


? posted by ReNo
Ooops, I was actually of the understanding it was meant to show that user's overall mapping skill, so I've been using it wrong for a long time now Sorry guys, I'll make some changes where I see a big difference in what they should be rated in light of this info!

truly??

*sighs*

i was afraid of this, cause in actuality, its not documented any place i know of..

think of it though, we have mappers, and members, and members who are not mappers..

BUT in order to qualify you MUST have at least one map in your profile to be eligible.. this motivates our people and site as a whole to be a mapping community overall.

at least, that was my take.. if you opted to not be rated, all you needed do was not upload anything.

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 11th at 1:48pm 2004


? posted by Leperous
Reno is right, it's meant to be what you think of that person as a mapper. And yes so some people might 'abuse' it, but who really cares, you'll probably end up with a rating averaging/reflecting on it anyway. Orph I don't really understand what you're going on about, perhaps a few examples..?

uhh, why, it would bring new people to center stage, and perhaps embaress them..

its there with a bit of looking though..

still if you combine what you wrote, with what i typed above this you may see clearly what i was thinking.

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Gwil on Tue May 11th at 1:48pm 2004


I personally rate people as a combination of skill, and contribution - but that's just me.

Like you say, there will be "anomalous" results as it were, but I think generally it works as a good indicator of a person in general.

Meh, *shrugs*

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Leperous on Tue May 11th at 1:50pm 2004


You can rate people how you want, I don't see it being abused really. Abuse is averaged out by statistics if people know what they're doing in general.



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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 11th at 1:54pm 2004


? posted by Leperous
You can rate people how you want, I don't see it being abused really. Abuse is averaged out by statistics if people know what they're doing in general.

true, but why have two systems that do one thing?

someone may be our worse mapper, but be a pillar, and vice versa.

my point is not to cause grief, but to seperate the two distinctions..

afterall, you have two options to NOT be rated in both cases..

don't upload maps.. you cannot be rated on either case..

actually there is a third, but its cheating, cause you can be an asshole, and block everyone from seeing how you are rated.. this in actuality proves my point.. the personal rating system can be blocked from others view.. that makes it personal.. not mapping.

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Gwil on Tue May 11th at 1:56pm 2004


Some people just don't like being rated? I don't mind, but I can see their point if they do - labelling and categorising people is a very cold way of understanding people in some peoples eyes.

Either that, or they just don't want a rating

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 11th at 2:00pm 2004


? posted by Gwil

Some people just don't like being rated? I don't mind, but I can see their point if they do - labelling and categorising people is a very cold way of understanding people in some peoples eyes.

Either that, or they just don't want a rating

all true, except on those rare instances when the user truly is an asshole, but blocks the possibility of everyone seeing his stats..

bottomline, the mapping ratings, and the personal ones could be the same score, but hardly a requirement.. i do not score people so, and doubt many do.. reno is a 5/5 so is lep and you gwil.. but none of you have all 5/5 maps.. you score 5/5 on your contribution to snarkpit, and would be a 5/5 even if you never released a thing IMO..

the two systems must be separate to have any value to this site.

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by ReNo on Tue May 11th at 2:01pm 2004


For me, its kinda like Gwil - a bit of both. For instance, Andrew, although in the past he has contributed lots to the site, has recently not done much around here. This is entirely understandable - he is clearly a busy man. However, I still have rated him a 5, as I think he is a truly excellent mapper, and whether he writes tutorials actively or not isn't going to change that opinion.

Now, to take another example, think of Doc Brasso. While he isn't currently around much, in the past he was a very contributing member to the site. Despite his only recent introduction to HL level design, he quickly became pretty adept - enough to probably rate him a 3/5 in my opinion. However, I rated him 4/5, as this took into account his contribution to the site as well as his mapping skill.

I hope neither of these people have taken any offence at giving examples - I certainly wouldn't say either of these are derogatory in any way! [addsig]




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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Leperous on Tue May 11th at 2:13pm 2004


There aren't two systems, there is one, which you're meant to rate people based on their mapper ability, but I can't question every single rating so it's up to you how you rate them. I don't see how this causes any kind of a problem tbh.



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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by scary_jeff on Tue May 11th at 2:14pm 2004


I don't see why anybody cares what their rating is tbh.



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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 11th at 2:18pm 2004


? posted by Leperous
There aren't two systems, there is one, which you're meant to rate people based on their mapper ability, but I can't question every single rating so it's up to you how you rate them. I don't see how this causes any kind of a problem tbh.

*stares uncomprehendingly*

[edit] dammit, without actually embarrassing people i cannot call your bluff lep..

we have members, with one map, unfinished, never released, yet scored in the high 4's

sure you cannot police scores, but you cannot say we have ONLY one system, when EVERYONE is treating it as two..

as i said, i don't want to cause grief, just set a standard that everyone can use accurately..

we do NOT have one system, and if we actually do, its not being used as such.

the reason you fail to see it as a problem, is perpetuating the issue, and eventually will become a problem..

[edit 2] read every post in this thread, most treat it as two systems, all save you..

doesn't make you wrong, but it makes you appear so..

the system was set up by you, its up to everyone to work out the bugs.. this is a bug.. treat it as such..

it will become a problem eventually

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Leperous on Tue May 11th at 2:34pm 2004


Ok so let people rate people as well on their contribution, what do I, or anyone else, care? Point out one person that is rated highly who has not made any decent maps and doesn't contribute anything to this site, and also tell me how it could one day be a problem? People generally don't run around giving 5's to everyone!



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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 11th at 2:39pm 2004


*wets self laughing*

*whispers* vash does..

ok.. fair enuff.. i posted my concerns.. most reflected my view.. you run the site.

end of story.

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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by Leperous on Tue May 11th at 2:43pm 2004


Heh well don't worry, it's not like I hate this place and will let it fall apart



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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by $loth on Tue May 11th at 2:56pm 2004


whilst lep and orph walk of /me runs around picking up lots of 2 cents [addsig]



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Re: I have noticed a definite trend of late.
Posted by beer hunter on Tue May 11th at 9:36pm 2004


? quote:
whilst lep and orph walk of /me runs around picking up lots of 2 cents


lol, shouldn't you be starting another poll or something ?

/2 euros





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