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Posted by scary_jeff on Wed May 19th at 12:28am 2004


I agree that the nvidia card needing two molex connectors is a bit lame, but this is only for the very top end card that hardly anybody will be buying. Also, who puts a PCI card in the slot right next to the AGP slot anyway? If the graphics card doesn't physically block this slot, then putting a card in it will severely restrict airflow to the graphics card...

I'm also waiting to get one of the new cards, hopefuly the '3rd one down', that has been announced, but not released for review. Apparently it should come in at ?200/$300, which is about my limit for graphics card spending (I refuse to spend more money on that one small board than for the motherboard and processor combined )




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Posted by Crono on Wed May 19th at 12:36am 2004


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I refuse to spend more money on that one small board than for the motherboard and processor combined


... how much do the boards and chips cost there?? Since, $300 is twice as much as my board and processor combined (yes, retail.) [addsig]




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Posted by scary_jeff on Wed May 19th at 1:23am 2004


You got motherboard and processor for ?100!?

I guess it depends on what motherboard you get... I'm planning on getting a P4P800-D, which is around $100 on newegg. I know there are a lot cheaper boards, but I think the motherboard is one area where money is well spent. Plus I will need many of the features it has such as 1MHz FSB increments, adjustable Vcore/Vmem, >2 IDE conenctors, SATA connectors, smart fan throttling, etc etc.

I have only ever bought Asus boards, and I would never buy otherwise - it just doesn't seem worth skimping on such a critical part of the system. Same goes for power supplies - I look around, there are 'value' 450 watt supplies for ?15, then branded ones at around ?60. I would rather pay more for a quiet, quality PSU, with good tolerances. Power stability is critical in having a stable system, and for me, a slower, quieter, stable system beats a faster, but more noisy and unstable system any day. I definately don't go in for all these lights and stuff though.




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Posted by Wild Card on Wed May 19th at 2:56am 2004


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oiw... lol some say 256mb is important some say otherwise... lol. DEBATE!!!smiley nope. I'll have a look see on ebay for cards. Cause yea, the 9600 and the FX5700 are about the highest price range I could go, the stores sell the 9800 for about 500 to 600$. Thats looking at either ASUS or MSI.


If that's the case, it's a rip-off.

Canadian currency remember lol. 500$ CDN is about 350$ USD ish ish.

I know the 9800 has 8 pipes instead of the 9600's 4 which is obviously better, but you also have to consider that the card Im currently running only has 2, and is in a PCI slot!... almost any card today is a upgrade... lol.

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Posted by $loth on Wed May 19th at 6:36am 2004


? posted by Crono
Asus can suck donkey nuts.

IMHO Asus, are a good company, i've had one of thier motherboards [ a7v8x-x]for about half a year and it runs superb, the only one i don't like is the a7v8x-mx. The graphics on that are sh*te.

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Posted by scary_jeff on Wed May 19th at 9:47am 2004


What onboard graphics isn't rubbish?

Wild.. that may be so, but wheres the sense in buying the 9600XT, when for not much more ($300, you say?), you can get somethng significantly better. If you aren't sure, go look at some reviews. Google any product for '<productname> review', and you will get a ton of results and forums threads.




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Posted by Orpheus on Wed May 19th at 9:57am 2004


another thing to consider, and since i have not read this entire thread, it might have been mentioned already..

different combinations of parts act differently..

i have an elcheapo ATI 9000 AGP card.. it works so-so for me, no real complaints considering how little it costed, but... i have seen higher benchmarks on other computers posted.. i assume its another portion of their PC compensating..

also, i have heard of conflicting parts causing grief.. picking the best card, may not be wildcards best option, considering the mixmatch his PC is in.. (high grade rams mixed with a low end microprocessor)

good luck WC

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Posted by Wild Card on Wed May 19th at 11:33am 2004


? posted by Orpheus

also, i have heard of conflicting parts causing grief.. picking the best card, may not be wildcards best option, considering the mixmatch his PC is in.. (high grade rams mixed with a low end microprocessor)

good luck WC

I love it how you always forget I upgraded my CPU lol. The only thing I find inst up to par in my computer right now is the video card and PSU... maybe my internet connection too

Right now, like I said, the gap between the 9600 and the 9800 is almost double the money. Unless I end up finding a good deal either on eBay or something else. And the 9600 at its current price is also expensive already. I know prices will drop come the new gen cards but still.

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Posted by Orpheus on Wed May 19th at 11:36am 2004


? posted by Wild Card

I love it how you always forget I upgraded my CPU lol.

ahh, i wasn't aware i was supposed to, but thats fair.. i didn't recall.

my comment still has value, even if my choices were not.

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Posted by Wild Card on Wed May 19th at 5:12pm 2004


What are you suggesting Orph?



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Posted by Crono on Wed May 19th at 5:14pm 2004


Jeff, ASUS is the ONLY company I've had major problems with.

Believe me, I don't skimp on any of the parts or get cheap crappy parts (like Gateway, Compaq, or Dell).
Lately I've been sticking to MSI, I've not had one problem with them (nor have my 6 other friends who have one of their boards), however, they were purchased over a year ago ... and they're not Intel boards

Power Supply: enlight.
Drives: IBM/Hitachi.
Network: 3com/USRobotics.
CPU: AMD (it's just easier on the wallet, and gives out the same performance value ) [addsig]




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Posted by Wild Card on Wed May 19th at 5:45pm 2004


Someone can tell me if this is trust worthy and valid of my video card dollar?

http://www.oemexpress.com/printItem.asp?CartId={E1A4BDF2-7400-46FE-BCD7-468A1F077EC7}&ic=VIDATI%2DR96256O&Tp=&iMatItem=

Versus my current choice from ASUS, my brother had a ASUS card and didnt have any problems...

http://www.pccyber.ca/scrItem.asp?product_id=3477&product_subtypes_id=287&product_types_id=26

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Posted by scary_jeff on Wed May 19th at 8:37pm 2004


Wild, the cheaper one is a 9600, not a 9600XT. It won't perform as well by a significant margin. It is a nightmare buying any computer part, you just have to go for it. whatever you buy, you could have spent a little less for something not quite as fast, or a little more for something a bit faster, and whatever you buy (bar RAM), you could have got it cheaper if you had waitied a month. These are two unavoidable facts that you have to accept before you go ahead and buy something

OK Crono, well I like Asus and I'm not changing. We all have our hardware predjudices, mine is against VIA I suppose another reason it's more expensive is because of the Intel chipset, but i like them to




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Posted by $loth on Wed May 19th at 9:09pm 2004


Bah, I don;t understand why people are so against Asus, I've had no problems with them, neither has any of my friends.Back to the graphics....

A few good sites to get hardware from.....: www.dabs.co.uk
www.scan.co.uk
www.komplett.co.uk

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Posted by Gorbachev on Wed May 19th at 9:27pm 2004


? posted by Wild Card
? posted by Orpheus

also, i have heard of conflicting parts causing grief.. picking the best card, may not be wildcards best option, considering the mixmatch his PC is in.. (high grade rams mixed with a low end microprocessor)

good luck WC

I love it how you always forget I upgraded my CPU lol. The only thing I find inst up to par in my computer right now is the video card and PSU... maybe my internet connection too

Right now, like I said, the gap between the 9600 and the 9800 is almost double the money. Unless I end up finding a good deal either on eBay or something else. And the 9600 at its current price is also expensive already. I know prices will drop come the new gen cards but still.

Double? The difference between the 9600XT and 9800 Pro is like $50-70 bucks. NCIX.com has (and you can pricematch it for lower and also get discounts) the 9600XT for $270 or so and I've seen the 9800 Pro at $330.

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Posted by Wild Card on Wed May 19th at 9:36pm 2004


? posted by scary_jeff
Wild, the cheaper one is a 9600, not a 9600XT. It won't perform as well by a significant margin. It is a nightmare buying any computer part, you just have to go for it. whatever you buy, you could have spent a little less for something not quite as fast, or a little more for something a bit faster, and whatever you buy (bar RAM), you could have got it cheaper if you had waitied a month. These are two unavoidable facts that you have to accept before you go ahead and buy something

OK Crono, well I like Asus and I'm not changing. We all have our hardware predjudices, mine is against VIA I suppose another reason it's more expensive is because of the Intel chipset, but i like them to

No s**t! I paid 67$ for both my sticks of RAM and they are now sold at 89$... ahh isnt it good when stuff is priced to order

I guess since we're all talking Radeon though, that the FX series cards kinda went out the door lol. Bah, the 9600XT has higher clocks and as someone stated, on the ASUS board, its got plenty of overclocking potential... backed by my 4 case fans

But is it better to get the 9600XT or one of the 9800 cards? I'd be thinking of staying with the 9600XT since all the 9800 cards are really darn expensive. And looking at comparisons from ATi's website, there arent that many things better with the 9800. 4 more pipelines, higher RAM clocks, lower GPU clock, more textures..

http://apps.ati.com/ATIcompare/

Go there and compare the 9600XT, the 9800Pro, and the 9800XT. Prices are: 237$, 467$, and 587$ respextively.

http://www.pccyber.ca/scrItems.asp?product_subtypes_id=287&product_types_id=26

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Posted by Crono on Wed May 19th at 9:47pm 2004


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Bah, I don;t understand why people are so against Asus, I've had no problems with them, neither has any of my friends.Back to the graphics....



The whole incident of having 5 motherboards from them fail was a big factor

Jeff, I don't have a big problem with VIA chipsets (not at the moment anyway). If you like Intel stuff, that's fine, but it's all in opinion of choice at this level [addsig]




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Posted by Wild Card on Wed May 19th at 9:48pm 2004


Im all for Abit

*looks left and right...*

*runs*

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Posted by Crono on Wed May 19th at 9:55pm 2004


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Im all for Abit


Dude, I'm sorry. ~orders zombie army to eat WC's brains, just to have them spit out because of they're un-nutritional value~ [addsig]




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Posted by Wild Card on Wed May 19th at 9:57pm 2004


? posted by Crono
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Im all for Abit


Dude, I'm sorry. ~orders zombie army to eat WC's brains, just to have them spit out because of they're un-nutritional value~

Well at least that comfirms I have one

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