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Posted by Juim on Sun May 23rd at 2:37pm 2004

Wow, I opened up The server browser for HLDM yesterday and was dismayed to find less than 80 player online(I have a few filters set, ping minimum, etc) but it's a friggin ghost town out there. I hear rumors that TF2 will be THE mp aspect of HL2, but thats very depressing. With DM interest dwindling so much in the HL community, whats going to motivate valve to even include standard DM in HL2???? Any thoughts on this?



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Posted by Gwil on Sun May 23rd at 2:46pm 2004

Sad as it seems, standard HLDM was just another victim of lack of popularity, suffering at the hands of other mods - TFC, CS, DoD.

I used to play HLDM and Op4CTF (as did a few others on here, brits and americans alike) - but now it's just not possible because everyone plays the polished and "cool" mods

It's just natural progression I guess, because of the active mod scene - I hope that Valve will make another solid DM game for HL2. Original HLDM wasn't anything flash, but it played well and was great fun at the same time, but as I said before - it just doesn't have the counterstrike/DoD "x factor".

I hope they do include a good DM mode myself, and possibly even some remakes.. Team DM of a larger boot camp Mmm!

[addsig]



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Posted by $loth on Sun May 23rd at 3:28pm 2004

? posted by Gwil

but now it's just not possible because everyone plays the polished and "cool" mods

Death to The Specialists!

<---- TS

[addsig]



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Posted by scary_jeff on Sun May 23rd at 3:49pm 2004

Just checked, picked up 120 servers, 80 of which have players. Name another 5 year old game with as many servers running plain DM (or weapon mods). I think having this 'few' people playing just means everybody has moved onto something different, not that nobody likes DM. Most DM freaks will have moved onto UT2003 or whatever.



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Posted by Cassius on Sun May 23rd at 5:12pm 2004

Counter Strike Source is the multiplayer for HL2.



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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Sun May 23rd at 5:54pm 2004

Naw, I think it's been pretty much debunked that CS source is the multiplayer for HL2. Valve's going to rerelease CS, DoD, TFC, and HL on the source engine as a seperate thing.

As for DM, I don't see why they wouldn't make a DM mode for HL2. Other new games have deathmatch, so it's not like no one wants it. Plus, DM is a much easier thing to create than a team game or even a single player game, so I don't see how it would take too much time or resources to do.





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Posted by omegaslayer on Sun May 23rd at 6:00pm 2004

Yes it is a shame that no one wants to play a good old round on "stalk Yard" or "bounce" anymore, now everyone is off playing CS, which is a shame to me because I think HLDM is more funner to play than CS. [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Sun May 23rd at 6:44pm 2004

Whether Valve makes remakes of HLDM maps or not, I'm sure we will still see them from other people [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Sun May 23rd at 7:03pm 2004

I wonder if anyone will remake the single player HL1..... That would be a project worth while. Revisiting black mesa under the source engine would be better. [addsig]



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sun May 23rd at 7:06pm 2004

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I wonder if anyone will remake the single player HL1..... That would be a project worth while. Revisiting black mesa under the source engine would be better:D.


Um, Valve are doing that and are releasing it soon after HL2. [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Sun May 23rd at 7:09pm 2004

They are I didnt know that [addsig]



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sun May 23rd at 7:32pm 2004

I reccomend you read up on E3 again. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sun May 23rd at 7:33pm 2004

CS source is going to be downloadable through steam, along with all the other 'source' games/mods.

TFC2 will cost extra money (as far as Valve has said) and will be released after the release of HL2.

I'm pretty sure they have a normal deathmatch mode. Since it goes along with the HL2 game.
They might include the sources as well, but I doubt that they'll take something like CS and just replace multiplayer; that would be amazingly stupid, since most maps and mods are built off the HL1DM mode. I mean, saying that cs2 or cs source is the multiplayer doesn't make much sense, since: I'm relatively sure cs2 will cost money (at first at least) and cs source is not HL2 material.
They're probably not showing the DM mode, since it is the most unpopular mode for HL1 at the moment. [addsig]



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Posted by scary_jeff on Sun May 23rd at 7:48pm 2004

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saying that cs2 or cs source is the multiplayer doesn't make much sense, since: I'm relatively sure cs2 will cost money (at first at least) and cs source is not HL2 material. They're probably not showing the DM mode, since it is the most unpopular mode for HL1 at the moment.


It's not that CS:Source as multiplayer doesn't make sense, it's that valve said this sin't the case. They aren't showing the actual multiplayer mode because it's a secret. It has been kept a secret the whole time. I read an interview with Gabe the other day (THG, I think), where the guy asked "what about the multiplayer in HL2? Will there be a DM mode?", the reply being a smile and "I cannot comment on that at this time".

Some people will think he can't comment because it doesn't exist, but that would be very very stupid of Valve. I mean, to keep multiplayer a secret, saying "it's being kept secret", then at the time of release say "hah! The secret was there's no multiplayer mwahaha", wouldn't exactly be good PR, would it



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Posted by omegaslayer on Sun May 23rd at 7:53pm 2004

? posted by Kage_Prototype
I reccomend you read up on E3 again.

good idea

[addsig]



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Posted by GreenDragon on Sun May 23rd at 8:36pm 2004

The new multiplayers mods are fun (CS, TFC, etc) but after lots of intense rounds of sneaking around and waiting to get shot in the head...rounding around like a maniac, trapping those campers in tripmine fortresses, sure kicks ass.

ahhh....AFK users and tripmines....brings a smile to your face!

[addsig]



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sun May 23rd at 9:29pm 2004

Valve are going to announce their multiplayer details in full in a few weeks, to clarify on things. Just so everyone who's confused knows. [addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Sun May 23rd at 9:30pm 2004

If they don't make it, then I for one will help and will be there with my HL2 map decompiler in hand snark_pit 2 anyone?!



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Posted by Biological Component on Sun May 23rd at 9:31pm 2004

It's not even a question to me. What reason could there be for NOT having a simple deathmatch multiplayer mode? It seems to me that deathmatch goes hand in hand with the singleplayer, as a package. Valve has just as much reason to exclude their "VALVe" logo from the splash screens as they do the deathmatch mode from the game. Maybe I'm completely wrong, but it would be somewhat silly to kill off DM. [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Sun May 23rd at 9:45pm 2004

On the VERY RARE off chance that valve wont make a DM mode, then you know someone will, like gearbox maybe. Just to clarify what valve is saying, about when is "mid-summer"? Cause that is the long awaited release date. [addsig]




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