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Posted by Orpheus on Sun May 30th at 8:54pm 2004

? posted by Yak_Fighter

pfft. Different strokes for different folks.

PS: LOTR LOTR LOTR LOTR LOTR

the show was ok yak, it just wasn't as big as people say IMO..

still i loved the original "Dune" when many did not.. i love "Harry Potter".. i just don't like tolkien, his style of writing is not my cup of tea.

still what makes it bad is when everyone goes on and on about LoTR, and worse of all is when people actually compare other shows to it..

*sighs*

guess I'm on my own on this one.. seems i am the only one who didn't enjoy it.

[addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Sun May 30th at 10:39pm 2004

Well Mr Pipe, the worst it can do is get a few more people to go out there and read the actual book. Which, by the way, is very good for a 50~ year old sci-fi book, none of this childish Harry Potter nonsense.



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Posted by Crono on Mon May 31st at 6:08am 2004

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books into movies are only good if you watch the movie first.. reading it first will always ruin it IMO cause books are so much better.


That's so far from the truth.
I've read tons of books before movies were even considered and the movies still kicked ass.
The first Jurassic Park was awesome, and it was rather close to the book. I, unlike a lot of people (not anyone specific), will recognize a good movie when I see one, even if it is far from a good adaptation.

I watched The Lost World before I read the book ... I thought it was s**t before I read the book and then after I read the book I got pissed off.

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comics into movies always rock.. especially if its marvel


Damn straight.

I think the problem with DC (and other comic distributors) is that they're locations aren't real.

You can't go to Gotham or Metropolis.
That doesn't go to say however, that I don't like Batman, Superman, GL as characters or anything like that.
Because these characters have very nice story lines once in the right hands (Frank Miller's Batman, if you do not know what this is like read the arc/trade "The Dark Knight Returns".).

That and their costumes seemed a little too 'bright' (like superman ... yikes).

The idea of Superman being a goodie goodie always rubbed me the wrong way, since even though he's from Krypton, he grew up on Earth. He would act like a human. Something they only went into in very rare arcs of the comics.

However, Batman kicks ass. I can't wait for Batman Begins. Good Director, good writer, good cast, good story ...
(I remember how excited I was when I saw the short Sandy Corolla film "Dead End" ... besides the new movie coming out; it has been the best live action adaptation of the Dark Knight to date)

Anyway ... Orph ... you got me jabbering about on comic books ... bad move [addsig]



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Posted by Biological Component on Mon May 31st at 7:10am 2004

? posted by Orpheus
? posted by Biological Component
Nice avatar, Gwil.

you only said that cause of my earlier comment

Actually, as soon as I saw the avatar, I went straight to tpying, and never read the rest of the posts.

[edit] And I have no idea what comment you are referring to...[/edit]

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Posted by $loth on Mon May 31st at 7:18am 2004

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comics into movies always rock.. especially if its marvel

hell yea!,crono is right tho, the only ones i've liked are the ones produced by marvel, dc suck at making movies out of comics
/me hits copy of batman with baseball bat



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Mon May 31st at 8:58am 2004

I thought the two Tim Burton Batman movies were great comic films; Jack Nicholson was great in the first one. Not as much can be said for the last two (or that one from the '60s).



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Posted by Crono on Mon May 31st at 10:07am 2004

"Batman" kicked ass. "Returns" was good.
I don't recognize the last two as Batman movies... I actually remember the theater I saw "Batman and Robin" in more then the crapfest its-self.

The "Begins" WILL kick major ass.
I'll try to find a link to "Dead End" so you all will see the badass-ness of the Dark Knight (and some extra characters ).

As for the first two Batman films, they're good films ... but okay adaptations.

I think Mark Hamil would make a better Joker (even though he's not a better actor then Nicholson) ... not just because he does the voice (perfectly) but he looks like the Joker ... seriously, imagine him with white skin and green hair....goose bumps.

But that would destroy continuity in the film franchise ... so they would need to make him a copycat killer or some crap.

Actually, Spider-Man probably has the closest adaptation of any comic book movie. But ... since the comic is cheesy as hell, the movie is too. But it's still good

DC doesn't "suck", I didn't say that. I said that their characters aren't put in the right hands.

Think how bad ass Superman would be if he acted human? It'd be great.

After Blade and X-Men were made, production companies realized that you don't have to sacrifice quality for money.

They also realized that people will flock to see these movies no matter how good or bad they are, so you might as well make them good.

I believe when "Forever" and "Batman and Robin" was made WB producers had almost all the say in the story and feel (and it shows).

Also, Blade is the BEST change in adaptation ... that comic blew ass chunks ... [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 31st at 10:13am 2004

STUPID GOD DAMNED QUOTE FAILED AGAIN *growls*

[edit] when i put both quotes below in the same reply, it removed massive portions of the first

this problem i have had numerous times, but could not convey the problem clearly enuff lep for you to understand it..

i sure wish i knew why it does that

/rant

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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 31st at 10:15am 2004

? posted by Crono
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books into movies are only good if you watch the movie first.. reading it first will always ruin it IMO cause books are so much better.


That's so far from the truth.



you shouldn't makes such positive sounding comments crono, the list of books to movie failures out number the successes i am afraid.. at least leave some room for openness as in my comment "IMO"

i have seen a few successful movies from books, but they still fall way short of the books.. i am afraid my imagination far exceeds the pocketbook of many movie makers.. the special effects are much sharper, with no dark scenes in my noggin

i just feel, if you wanna truly enjoy the movie, watch it before reading the book.. case in point "jaws" the book made me wet myself, the movie... blah

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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 31st at 10:16am 2004

? posted by Biological Component
? posted by Orpheus
? posted by Biological Component
Nice avatar, Gwil.

you only said that cause of my earlier comment

Actually, as soon as I saw the avatar, I went straight to tpying, and never read the rest of the posts.

[edit] And I have no idea what comment you are referring to...[/edit]

? posted by Orpheus

gwil, your new avatar makes me itch, i never trusted south paws

posted in the "site suggestion" thread

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Posted by Crono on Mon May 31st at 10:21am 2004

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you shouldn't makes such positive sounding comments crono, the list of books to movie failures out number the successes i am afraid.. at least leave some room for openness as in my comment "IMO"


No, because that isn't true. You said "Always" and there ARE (even though you don't want to admit it) good book adaptations.

Also, didn't we have a discussion in the other thread on book ADAPTATION not recreation.

(I'm well aware you said "in my opinion". But it's just not true, since you haven't seen every movie ever made that was based on a book, nor have you seen every movie that will ever be made that is based on a book. )



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 31st at 10:28am 2004

? posted by Crono


(I'm well aware you said "in my opinion". But it's just not true, since you haven't seen every movie ever made that was based on a book, nor have you seen every movie that will ever be made that is based on a book. )

LOL, you coaching me on "all inclusive comments"

read your replies sometimes.. they sound more bold or in the know than my versions ever could..

adaptations are all well and good, the movie may be superbly adapted, but it assumes the book was well written to begin with, a thought that is not always consistent.

secondly, just because the movie was superb, doesn't make it better than a book, thats impossible, because a 2 hour flick cannot encompass a 300-600 page book.. sorry its not the same.

lastly, keep trying crono.. someday you will learn.. as i did, to post with open ends on them.. "always and IMO" can still be open ended

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Posted by Crono on Mon May 31st at 12:03pm 2004

I'm stating things how I always do and I'm not going to change the way I type or talk, no conforming, sorry.

I hate the term "in my opinion", it sounds self-important.
As if to tell the person reading it that what they're reading is more important then what they think. I know that's not how it's meant, but most times at least in the context it's used, it comes across that way.
People 'read' words differently I suppose.
I won't even start on the "keep trying" crap numerous people tell me, this happens face to face as well.

I don't care how 'bold' my posts sound and frankly the amount nit picking that is done to my posts is starting to piss me off.
No offense to anyone.
Most of my posts are read into far too much; much farther then what's there and in return assumptions are made about what I said.

Here's an example:

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just because the movie was superb, doesn't make it better than a book, thats impossible, because a 2 hour flick cannot encompass a 300-600 page book.. sorry its not the same.


I never said that. So, what did you respond to?
I mean, it looks like you're directing the statement towards me ... if not, if it's just a statement, that's different, it's just unclear ?

My words aren't literary and have no grounds for analysis. So, please, only take them for what they say.

Also, books and movies shouldn't be measured in the same light; they're different formats for one.
Secondly, a book allows complete and utter control to at least one person, a film does not. I don't know when people (in general) are going to realize that.
What is the point of making something in a different format if it is exactly like what it came from? That shows no effort from the people who worked on it, no creation, nothing. There are examples of when this is done and they're terrible (The Great Gatsby).

[lastly]
I'm just being honest.
So, don't look at this as if I'm trying to hurt someone or piss someone off.

Also, I'm not picking on you, Orph



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 31st at 12:35pm 2004

.. ok let me attempt clarification, if you can, try to read it as such, and not a personal affront toward "CRONO"

no one is asking you to change, just realize that you do indeed comment very specifically sometimes, as if you already hashed it out some time ago and we peons took way to long to even discuss it.. as if we might consider your decision all there is.
you must also realize, these discussions we have, most likely have already been discussed either around here, or another forum entirely, so we have our own beliefs to draw upon.
also, your quote, yeah its directed entirely at you, its in response to your earlier post quoting me as wrong there as well.. sadly tis the nature of forums..

you must try to realize, its rather hard to form a distinction between "POINTED" and "GENERAL" comments.. if i say IMO, its not an attempt at arrogance, its trying to make a statement that truly only effects oneself, and huts no one.. its "general" when a person says "YOU'RE WRONG" thats pointed, and becomes inflammatory.. one should always attempt to avoid such statements.. (no i am not saying you do this, its just an example of the term)

lastly, i find that you try way to hard to justify your words.. allow us to form our own opinions on your words, and also allow us to decide IF our opinions are correct before you inform us of our grievous error.. we have just as much right to decide YOU know what you are talking about, as you do about us.

believe me crono, if you piss one of us off, you won't need to wonder... it will be very clear and concise.. so far, i see no indication of it... you are forming opinions about us, based on your personal life, we don't know you except from your time here, please allow us the same courtesy..



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Posted by Crono on Mon May 31st at 5:34pm 2004

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believe me crono, if you piss one of us off, you won't need to wonder... it will be very clear and concise


Where'd this come from?
The very last part of my post that basically said 'this post is not entirly directed at anyone and should be taken with thought and not feelings'?

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you are forming opinions about us, based on your personal life, we don't know you except from your time here, please allow us the same courtesy..


... am I?

1. If someone tells you "you're wrong", you can believe them or not. No need to take my words for the ultimate say, you'll know if you're wrong or not on trivial subjects.

2. Are you speaking of this website as a seperation of your personal life? Like a job or something of the sort?

nevermind though, you may have understood what I said, but you didn't take it the way it was meant. [addsig]



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Posted by G.Ballblue on Mon May 31st at 6:39pm 2004

What are you guys talking about?

Neon Genesis Evangelion?

Yippie Ki Yay!

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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 31st at 7:01pm 2004

crono, someday soon we need to discuss this in real time.. either via MSN or land line phone, cause you seem to truly miss my meaning.. i am neither threatening you, nor attempting to cause you grief.. all the comments you keep quoting, by themselves look as if i am doing it though, and THATS definitely not my intent..

till we do so, i will refrain from commenting further on your shortfalls..

/runs [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Tue Jun 1st at 8:38am 2004

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What are you guys talking about?



Neon Genesis Evangelion?


...Yes, with a side of Boogiepop to go with it. (A friend of mine actually has read most everything on the Evangelion universe and understands it pretty well, he's Korean, if you were wondering )

Orph, I was just using things you said as an example of how things come accross, that's all. No big deal. [addsig]




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