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Posted by wil5on on Fri Jun 18th at 8:11am 2004
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Posted by $loth on Fri Jun 18th at 8:14am 2004
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| How do you know they are lucid...? Do you know you are dreaming while you are dreaming, or do you remember the dream as if you are aware its a dream during the dream... but you werent.. |
care to simplify that? I am now...confuzzed
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Posted by wil5on on Fri Jun 18th at 8:27am 2004
OK...
Maybe its easier to think of it like, dreams dont actually happen, theyre just random memories imprinted in your brain so you think they happened but they didnt. If its a lucid dream, you remember it as if you know its a dream...
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Posted by Finger on Fri Jun 18th at 8:36am 2004
The funniest dream I've ever had, was when I dreamt that I was spitting off a balcony onto some peoples heads. I was sleeping on my back, and spit a big luggie straight into the air, which, of course, fell right back down onto my face. I woke up confused as hell, then laughed my ass off when I realized what happened.
The worst dream experience: I had a girlfriend that was a very active dreamer. I woke up one night, to find her strattling me. Well, of course, I asked her what she was doing......right before she started to relieve herself. She thought she had reached the toilet.
heh. my two wet dreams.
Posted by Finger on Fri Jun 18th at 8:43am 2004
As for lucid dreams. I have had them on a couple of occasions, but very rarely. In them, I realized that I was dreaming, and tried to take control of my dream. Lucid dreaming is like juggling, though. If you try to concentrate on how you are managing to juggle, you drop the balls. The minute I realized I was dreaming, it started to fade, and I woke.
I had a friend who tried this Mega Memory program. The program had him associate bizzarre imagery with numbers, letters, and words, to help him remember them. He got crazy with it, and got to where he could memorize a 20 digit string of numbers in a few minutes, and retain it for months. Anyway, he used to talk about how he started having lucid dreams as a side effect of this program. I guess conjuring up all the bizzare imagery for this method, somehow triggered a similar part of his dreaming brain and exercised it more.
Posted by mazemaster on Fri Jun 18th at 8:45am 2004
After that you can think rationally and consiously control what _you_ do in the dream. Occasionally you can actually control the entire dream itself, make things change and have whatever you want happen.
I've only had a few in my life (and they were all when I was young), and only in one could I control the entire dream. The first one was rather scary actually since I knew it was a dream, but I couldn't control it, and I couldn't figure how to make myself wake up. I was literally trapped in my own mind.
Actually eventually I did figure out how to wake up - Close your eyes in your dream really really tightly for 5 seconds, then when you open them you will open your real eyes and wake up. [addsig]
Posted by mazemaster on Fri Jun 18th at 9:15am 2004
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sleeping hard is not genetic, its a learned thing, you are just lazy. |
Dammit I hate having to put up with this sort of crap from people who can wake up easily. You haven't experienced what we go through every day, so please shut the hell up. Sleeping hard IS GENETIC, and it IS REALLY REALLY HARD for these people to wake up. Its not due to laziness; it is due to low nighttime blood sugar levels, breathing rates, and pulse rates, and slow nighttime metabolisms.
My whole family and extended family on one side sleeps hard, and I mean really hard. We are not lazy people (well, some are), we just have trouble waking up.
Sometimes when I haven't gotten enough sleep, when I wake up I feel pain - real pain - in my whole body, and it doesn't go away for about an hour unless I go back to sleep. I turn off my alarm in my sleep all the time, not waking up or remembering it. Sometimes I sleep straight through loud alarms that go on for 30 minutes. In college sometimes I even get out of my bunk, climb down, turn the alarm off, and climb back up, all sleepwalking. My friends have seen it.
One week this last semester was so bad that each night I built a stack of soda cans (house of cards style) on top of the off button so that when I reached for the button I would knock over the stack and hopefully wake up. One day that week I woke up and found myself standing in front of the clock in a confused state with empty soda cans everywhere.
What pisses me off to no end are fascist bosses and teachers who consider it a crime to be a little bit late in the morning. After all, its easy for them to wake up so for everyone else it must just be laziness or some consious decision to sleep in.
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Posted by Campaignjunkie on Fri Jun 18th at 9:30am 2004
Ooh, I have lucid dreams all the time. They generally end pretty quickly once I realize I'm dreaming though, which is rather a shame - no opportunities for mischef!
When I was a lot younger though, I dreamed I was in an orphanage somehow. Then I picked up a coat hangar off the ground and realized it was all a dream (don't ask how or why!) Being young and rather scared, I really didn't want to dream about being in an orphanage, so I started to try to wake myself up. Then I actually dreamed I woke myself up successfully and was eating breakfast with my family. I discussed with them about my dream and how it was so horrible... Then I woke up, dazed and confused.
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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Fri Jun 18th at 9:40am 2004
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Dammit I hate having to put up with this sort of crap from people who can wake up easily. You haven't experienced what we go through every day, so please shut the hell up. Sleeping hard IS GENETIC, and it IS REALLY REALLY HARD for these people to wake up. Its not due to laziness; it is due to low nighttime blood sugar levels, breathing rates, and pulse rates, and slow nighttime metabolisms. My whole family and extended family on one side sleeps hard, and I mean really hard. We are not lazy people (well, some are), we just have trouble waking up. Sometimes when I haven't gotten enough sleep, when I wake up I feel pain - real pain - in my whole body, and it doesn't go away for about an hour unless I go back to sleep. I turn off my alarm in my sleep all the time, not waking up or remembering it. Sometimes I sleep straight through loud alarms that go on for 30 minutes. In college sometimes I even get out of my bunk, climb down, turn the alarm off, and climb back up, all sleepwalking. My friends have seen it. One week this last semester was so bad that each night I built a stack of soda cans (house of cards style) on top of the off button so that when I reached for the button I would knock over the stack and hopefully wake up. One day that week I woke up and found myself standing in front of the clock in a confused state with empty soda cans everywhere. What pisses me off to no end are fascist bosses and teachers who consider it a crime to be a little bit late in the morning. After all, its easy for them to wake up so for everyone else it must just be laziness or some consious decision to sleep in. </Rant> |
preach on, brother! I always have trouble waking up in the morning, and if someone or something wakes me up I'll be tired no matter how many hours of sleep I have gotten. I also had a talent for sleeping completely through alarms. After my freshman year (which was a disaster because of sleeping through alarms and skipping class) I decided to make a drastic change from having 8am or 9am classes to having nothing before 10am on three days and 1pm on two days. My grades went up from a C+ average to an A- average ![]()
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Posted by scary_jeff on Fri Jun 18th at 11:31am 2004
Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jun 18th at 1:02pm 2004
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Dammit I hate having to put up with this sort of crap from people who can wake up easily. You haven't experienced what we go through every day, so please shut the hell up. |
maze, i will let it slide since it is obviously a strong issue with you, but speaking as someone who has worked both sides of this issue, please don't call me a liar so blatantly again.
before i was 18, i slept so hard i used to get beat for it.. yeah actually, foot stomping beat, in my sleep cause i couldn't wake up fast enuff to suit my old man.. so i have indeed lived through it, and survived..
the ass whippins did not solve my sleep habits.. and YES i still insist its a sleeping habit, one you and your family have yet to break.. you obviously have not had reason enuff to resolve it yet..
my sleeping to hard was solved on my second day of basic.. i suddenly realized it was no longer a luxury to get up when i wished anymore, and some sort of a switch was thrown.. one i wish i could turn the other way sometime.
getting mad at people cause you sleep hard, is not a viable solution, if you cannot teach yourself to get up easier, you can at least realize you sleep hard and set the alarm accordingly.. if it takes you an hour longer than normal people, set the damned alarm an hour earlier for christ sakes.
sleeping hard is truly a learned thing.. i suppose there can be medical reasons, the only reason i give it credence at all, is because of my inability to sleep, there has got to be some reason for it, one thats medically based.. as i get older, i seem to sleep less.. i do not feel any more rested, i just sleep less.
my only hope is, you never need to wake up fast, cause you will suffer for it if it happens, be it house fire, burglary, or tornado.. as i said, i could have slept through anything, including being beat-up, so don't think i say this easily, my childhood is not something i wish to discuss, no one here has earned that right yet.. but it was imperative that i show you, i been there, and taught myself to get up.
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Posted by Andrei on Fri Jun 18th at 1:14pm 2004
You cant read in dreams, tho...
BTW, i once dreamed that i died shot in the stomach by what looked like a kar rifle.
Weird.
Posted by scary_jeff on Fri Jun 18th at 1:45pm 2004
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Definately agreed. And if this means you don't get enough sleep... go to bed an hour earlier. If I know I need to be somewhere at 8 instead of 9, I at least try and go to bed an hour earlier. It isn't usually possible to just going to bed earlier one day, and fall asleep instantly, but after a few days of waking slightly earlier as well, it seems to work out. Do it for long enough, and you won't be able to wake up later than 8am (or whatever) for a couple of months
Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jun 18th at 2:02pm 2004
internal clocks cannot be easily set, case in point, the damned daylight savings crap.. it takes me a couple weeks to reset my internal clock, just because of this one stinking hour.. BUT it proves you can reset it eventually, and with the proper motivation.
people who sleep hard, AND have no clinical reason for doing so, can reset the internal clock that governs how you wake up.
the problem lies in, asking yourself what it would take to do it.. hopefully not something life threatening, cause, once you are dead, it kinda reduces the amount of time you have to succeed.. that was NOT MEANT as a joke.. i was dead serious.
waking up, is much a part of sleeping as going to sleep is.. if you have trouble doing one, you will most likely have trouble with the other.. i have no trouble going to sleep, its remaining asleep where i have problems 
i had a co-worker once, worked with him for nearly 3 years.. always arrived at work asleep.. he insisted he slept to hard and couldn't change it.. he actually got dressed on his way to work.. come to find out, he was stupid enuff to hit his snooze button till the last minute.. i gave him the daily respect he deserved for doing it.. i worked his ass off from the moment he arrived.. needless to say, our first couple hours each day were not pleasant ones.. but i loved every moment of it.. i didn't teach him a damned thing, when i left he was still lazy about getting up.. but i had a blast torturing him.. the only bad thing is, i acquired a deep seated scorn for people like him.. the solution was so easy, but he...well you know, after 3 years he wasn't about to change.
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Posted by Gwil on Fri Jun 18th at 3:05pm 2004
There are lots of things that can affect going to bed... if you have trouble sleeping, dont read/use PC's/watch TV or anything of the sort before going to bed.. have a hot drink and winding down period - youll regulate your body temperature for comfort, and also rest the brain. The last thing it needs to be doing before bed is working and being stimulated!
The types of food you eat (in general, and before bedtime) can affect sleeping patterns/habits as well. The people usually affected who talk to me about it are on non-regular patterns - ie they have some early mornings, and sometimes lazy days with no obvious pattern to their routine.. its sorting things like this that have a big knock on effect.
Also, a little lavender oil under or on a pillow helps a lot of people, as well!
And yeah - to reiterate Orphs point, "snooze" buttons are possibly the worst inventions ever. Get a loud alarm clock if you need one, preferably with a metal ringer (traditional style ones)
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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jun 18th at 3:10pm 2004
poke all you wish, i have lived with this since about 18 years old.. its that switch i was talking about..
i have tried all your solutions, none help.
i have no trouble attaining sleep, its remaining asleep thats my problem.. i just suddenly wake up.. i don't have troubled sleep, its just time, and sudden.
i would give almost anything for a rested sleep, just once to wake up refreshed.
anywho's, i endure.
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Posted by Gwil on Fri Jun 18th at 3:12pm 2004
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Posted by Monqui on Fri Jun 18th at 3:41pm 2004
And I do find that watching TV/messing on the PC doesn't really help at all before trying to nod off. The best thing I've found is to read. It doesn't always work, but it does calm me down enough that I can at least lay still for a period of time. [addsig]
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