Ion Drive, etc
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jun 19th at 1:43pm 2004


i heard that the static electricity generated while having sex, around the world, in one day could power a small city [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sat Jun 19th at 5:03pm 2004


It was miliamps not microamps. I think they actualy listed the power consumption anyway. somthing like 290 W? I'm not sure I got that right, but whatever. 30 kV Isn't very much if you don't need much current. I'd recomend building a volatage multiplier. this seems like a good explaination although I didn't read much of it. It might also be possible to just use the power supply from an old computer monitor. I'm not sure what the voltages are there but they must be in the kV range.



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Posted by scary_jeff on Sat Jun 19th at 5:26pm 2004


Hah, TB, just been on that page myself

We actually have power supplies designed to produce around 25kV, and I was hoping to use one of those, but I might not be allowed to. I don't really like the voltage multipliers because they all seem to run from the AC mains. I'm not using the mains multiplied up 27 times for anything

If I can make a simple boost switching power supply to run from a bunch of batteries or a bench supply, I will almost certainly be allowed to make anything - one of the examples on the 'flyer' website runs off 9-volt batteries. Ideally I might be able to get a lecturer on side, but it could turn out that I'm not allowed to make anything. They are pretty big on health and safety, but at the same time, you seem to be allowed to anything you want if there is somebody watching you. We will see




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sat Jun 19th at 6:24pm 2004


you can use voltage multipliers with batteries. One of my friends in my electroncs class built a "stun gun" which delivered a 400V 10 microamp shock from a 9V battery. you are right though I would definatly stay away from line current.

In the same class, I built a "rail gun". it never actualy fired because there was too much resistance, both mechanical and electrical, but I had set up a bank of capacitors that delivered an 800 A current! Whenever I "fired" it, the projectile would become welded to the rails





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Posted by $loth on Sat Jun 19th at 7:38pm 2004


maybe this could prove my hover craft to work! [addsig]



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Posted by Black Cat on Sun Jun 20th at 6:11am 2004


Tracer Bullet All you needed was some cooling device to super cool it then fire.





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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sun Jun 20th at 7:36am 2004


No, you don't quite understand because I haven't given all the details. I was trying to build a system that would operate at low potential ranges ~12V, and only produce a gentle push. remember, this was a class project not my attempt to conquer the world. This means that I needed very low resistance, and very low friction for the projectile. it turns out that these two requirements are mutually exclusive, at least on the limited budget I had. My problem was that I could not get efficient electrical contact between the armature and the rails. I would simply get a small arc that would spot weld the armature to the rails. even if all my materials were super conductors and kept at 1K it would not work.





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Posted by SumhObo on Sun Jun 20th at 8:02am 2004


Would coating the rails in graphite help at all?



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sun Jun 20th at 8:13pm 2004


It might indeed help, but I don't think so. I think the only way I could have gotten the conductivity and low friction I needed was is if I used liquid mercury for the armature.



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Posted by DesPlesda on Mon Jun 21st at 1:36am 2004


Wikipedia has an excellent article on spacecraft propulsio. The nuclear fusion article's good too.



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Posted by Gwil on Mon Jun 21st at 1:49am 2004


quote, unquote.

$loth, hovercraft exist and word on land and sea...

go get that shovel..
[addsig]





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