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Posted by Crono on Sun Jul 11th at 8:58am 2004

So, you're bitching because I didn't give a flat out 'yes or no', answer.

Anyway, I did read your question, I appologize if it seemed like I was giving more information then what was needed. Relying on 'is my card DX7' or whatever, isn't really a great way to do things. Since, games didn't even support DX really until DX7, meaning most all 3d cards past VooDoo 1 were compatable.

Not to "rag" on your anything, but DirectX is used for many more things then video, the video area is just Direct3D.
Thus you see things like 'directX compatable sound card/keyboar/mouse' etc.

The only reason why you would need to check to see if your card is compatable would be if you wanted the pretty DX9 features.
Lets put it this way, you can run Morrowind (DX8) and BF1942 (DX8.1), even if it isn't running well, they run while requiring versions higher then DX7.

But then again, older GeForce cards run better in OpenGL ... [addsig]



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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Sun Jul 11th at 9:02am 2004

If HL2 doesn't work on my computer, I'm blaming you!

However, my questioning on this 3d card crap is because the last game anyone in my house purchased was Deus Ex 2, and it turned out it wouldn't run on the GeForce4MX installed on the house computer. Why? Hell if I know, but aside from developer laziness, I'd guess its because the card wouldn't be able to handle some aspect of the engine and they didn't bother recoding it from the xbox version to support it. Actually I think it was that the GeForce4MX didn't support pixel shaders v2.0 or somesuch. And this wasn't simply it ran slowly or choppy or anything, it just flat out didn't run. It even says on the box this game will not work for this card...





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Posted by Crono on Sun Jul 11th at 9:20am 2004

That's exactly why

Pandora Tomorrow has the same "issue". But I don't think the MX cards have pixel shaders, period. Because, my card doesn't even have 2.0 pixel shaders, they're like 1.4 or some crap (and as I stated before, everything runs wonderfully).

But I believe HL2 allows you to turn vertex and pixel shaders off.

Secondly, Why in God's name would you want to play DE2?? ITS CRAP!

So, I don't know if they're going to demand pixel shader support ... if they do ... sorry, if they don't, play some laggy HL2

But it has nothing to do with the way they developed it, they're just too lazy to make it optional. If they did, then it'd probably run fine ... but not physically having those few registers sucks [addsig]



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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Sun Jul 11th at 9:33am 2004

Hey, my brother's favorite game is Deus Ex, and he wanted to play the sequel.

And you have no idea how far I'll go just to play. I used to run TFC in software mode with the screensize reduced to about 1/4 the screen to get about 20 fps. I also played competitive matches with an 800 ping (pre lagfix patch of course)...





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Posted by Crono on Sun Jul 11th at 9:38am 2004

Oh, I'm very familure with playing on terrible settings.

I was thrilled when I got HL (many years ago) to actually RUN on some 233 (I really don't remember any of the other specs of the machine).

My dad brought some graphics card home (It was actually a Riva TNT from Diamond, and this was in like '98) and I was so angry to find out it required an AGP slot. This was back when I had like 2 PCI slots. So I played HL in software ... terrible, some monitor I found

Right now, I actually can't get HL to run on my laptop, even in software. Which is weird, since my laptop has higher specs then that desktop I had all those years ago.

And people are astonished that I actually own consoles. My computer was crap until a couple years ago. You know the whole 'one generation behind' paradox we've all been in [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jul 11th at 11:05am 2004

? posted by Yak_Fighter

Hey, my brother's favorite game is Deus Ex, and he wanted to play the sequel.

And you have no idea how far I'll go just to play. I used to run TFC in software mode with the screensize reduced to about 1/4 the screen to get about 20 fps. I also played competitive matches with an 800 ping (pre lagfix patch of course)...

i can vouch for joe, i fragged him many a time at this godaweful ping, and he was an exceptionally gifted fragger.

it was one of the reasons i have been such a staunch yak supporter over the years, it takes a very fair minded person to overcome this major obstacle, and still smile.

personally, i think ping, was the worse thing about mapping, anyone had to endure.

[addsig]




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