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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Sep 17th at 8:51pm 2003

? posted by Cash Car Star
Quite honestly, I think it's rather hilarious that the two measures of bandwith are used. Someone wasn't following the KISS principle when they developed modems.

what burns my butt?

with the same limited line capacity, they can now use DLS speeds..

for years i was told that the copper wires in households could not achieve anything greater than 56k.. come to find out that, it wasn't the wires at all, but the method employed in utilizing them was the problem...

they could include a dsl modem, in every pc, as cheaply as they now do with a 56k analog type..

the phone companies are just greedy.. with little or no further modifications to existing lines , everyone could be on DSL.. the only further enhancements would be the areas outside the current hub areas.. more hubs need to be placed... but this bullshit about phoneline limits is crap.. and many are still forced to use it because the old belief still prevails..

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Posted by Wild Card on Wed Sep 17th at 8:53pm 2003

? posted by Orpheus

what burns my butt?

Sorry Orph, but I dont want to know.

BTW, I just read that one line and decided to comment on it.





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Posted by Monqui on Wed Sep 17th at 8:59pm 2003

Think about the other end of your connection though- at some point you're going to be running through some t1, t3, OC3, etc. wiring (probably a mix of all of them). Couple this with the fact that the farther you are from your ISP, the more signal boosting that they need to do.

In the days of the 56k, the computer network that you were dialing into most likely had a rather small connection, compared to companies today that are host to all kinds of high-speed wiring. This meant they could only reliable server to a certain number of 28.8-56k modem users. Today, thats a piddly amount. Back then, it was EXPENSIVE.

Take it to DSL then- they tell you that they don't offer service in your area, right? What they mean is that the host company hasn't gotten around to spending the money necessary to have a decent signal be able to reach your house (that sentence is NOT gramatically correct, I think. But SCREW YOU.), since they need to boost the signal much more than with a 56k line.

So it actually can be wuite expensive and time consuming to filter a line for DSL, since it runs on many more frequencies. Any interference would hamper the signal much more than with a 56k connection. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Sep 17th at 9:09pm 2003

monkee, did you read anything i wrote, or did you just go off on your own little tangent

my point was, if the put in the hubs, everyone can have DSL.. its not the cost i am bitching about, cause its comparable to 56k and their ISP's..

*shakes head, and this ones from the US*

there goes my theory that the UK doesn't comprehend basic english

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Posted by Cash Car Star on Wed Sep 17th at 9:12pm 2003

I'm just wondering what your post had to do with mine, since you went and quoted me...



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Posted by Monqui on Wed Sep 17th at 9:16pm 2003

Nah, I was just trying to make the point that most companies can't just say "TEH WHOAOH! DLS is outx0r! Letz d0 it!" and then the next day everyone magically has it. A few of my friends are currently saving up to become a provider for their area, and I'm a shareholder in the company, so I kinda get to hear about this all the time.

Point was that it takes money, and money takes a bit of time to get. Just trying to get ya to see the other side of the issue. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Sep 17th at 9:24pm 2003

? posted by Cash Car Star
I'm just wondering what your post had to do with mine, since you went and quoted me...

hmm, exactly? i dunno, but the KISS method, would definatley imply DSL... and the modems.. i think thats what got me worked up..

i suffered thru 56k and my reasons were, they kept saying the copper wires couldn't support more...

other than that... i dunno why i quoted you...

? posted by Monqui
Point was that it takes money, and money takes a bit of time to get. Just trying to get ya to see the other side of the issue.

monkee, you are viewing it thru an independants eyes..

i am talking about big companies, and such..

we already have the technology, and the resources.. but bottomline, its more cost effective to place a hub, where population desity will get the most out of it..

why place one in an area with a possible 15 users, where they can do the same work and get 1000..

see my point?

i know a bit about money vs. engineering to bud

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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Thu Sep 18th at 3:38pm 2003

Where in AR do you live, Orph?
I'm at the U of A Fayetteville campus right now. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Sep 18th at 3:44pm 2003

? posted by hornpipe2
Where in AR do you live, Orph?
I'm at the U of A Fayetteville campus right now.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=1701+Dan+ave.&city=Jonesboro&state=ar&zipcode=&homesubmit=Get+Map

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Posted by Leperous on Thu Sep 18th at 4:32pm 2003

? posted by Monqui
Nah, I was just trying to make the point that most companies can't just say "TEH WHOAOH! DLS is outx0r! Letz d0 it!" and then the next day everyone magically has it. A few of my friends are currently saving up to become a provider for their area, and I'm a shareholder in the company, so I kinda get to hear about this all the time.

Heh, I wish it was like that over here. They're bitching at us 56k users and increasing our tariffs almost every month because apparently we use up too much network traffic and so on and so forth.





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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Sep 18th at 5:00pm 2003

? posted by Leperous
? posted by Monqui
Nah, I was just trying to make the point that most companies can't just say "TEH WHOAOH! DLS is outx0r! Letz d0 it!" and then the next day everyone magically has it. A few of my friends are currently saving up to become a provider for their area, and I'm a shareholder in the company, so I kinda get to hear about this all the time.

Heh, I wish it was like that over here. They're bitching at us 56k users and increasing our tariffs almost every month because apparently we use up too much network traffic and so on and so forth.

its just generally sucky, they create the condition, then bitch because its defective..

i am not real clear on the DSL usage of existing lines, but i see the result in practice..

my phone line is no longer busy days on end, and i am betting the switchboards at the local phone company are relieved as well...

if they can spend mucho bucks on all these stupid cell towers, they can spare a bit of change to place more DSL hubs..

anyways, the old "copper wire" excuse....... its bullshit.

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