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Posted by Leperous on Wed Nov 3rd at 11:01am 2004

The results State-wise so far look exactly like in 2000, though I do like that 90%-for-Kerry vote in DC Anyone been following it on TV? I can't help feeling a tinge of dread at the thought of 4 more years of Bush, myself...



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Posted by Dr Brasso on Wed Nov 3rd at 12:17pm 2004

fear not, my epidermally impaired friend....they are still counting the votes etc....methinks you put too much emphasis on the campaign.....picking between the lesser of two evils is at best......iffy..... hang tough, we are not going to invade the UK....

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Posted by Gwil on Wed Nov 3rd at 12:22pm 2004

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fear not, my epidermally impaired friend....they are still counting the votes etc....methinks you put too much emphasis on the campaign.....picking between the lesser of two evils is at best......iffy..... hang tough, we are not going to invade the UK....

Dr Brasso...



Maybe not the UK, it's the rest of the world we worry for - and our Prime Minister happily going along with it

But yeah, looks like 4 more years of Bush A sad day for the USA and the world, indeed.
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Posted by Dr Brasso on Wed Nov 3rd at 12:27pm 2004

well sir Gwilliam, i do believe after all is said and done, even Dubya has had to have learned a lession from the cluster that has become Iraq....let us hope it is so....

Doc B...

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Posted by Adam Hawkins on Wed Nov 3rd at 12:57pm 2004

? quoting Dr Brasso

hang tough, we are not going to invade the UK....

We may yet quote you on that one

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Posted by Gwil on Wed Nov 3rd at 12:59pm 2004

We can hope, or at least hope that Mr Blair has the balls to stand up and make his voice known on the issues that matter, for it hasn't been much of a coalition so far between the US/UK - more a "jump! - how high?" style relationship.

We need to see past Iraq as one of the grave consequences of the first term, so we can analyse and approach the MASSIVE problem of global warming and green fuels, which the US (and other countries, Russia for example, until recently) has thrown back in the face of the world. Also, what about the issue of stem cell research? Or the up/down economy that Bush seems to lead, which in turn affects the rest of the world.

All said and done, and noting the ties inside the administration, I don't think there is a great deal that we in Britain, France, Germany or anywhere else across the world can do now except try and gently pressure the US Government to start rethinking its policies on contentious issues.

Or, we can hope that our election doesn't re-elect King Blair, the man who would not listen. Oh god please, get Blair out. At least save some of our sanity

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Posted by fraggard on Wed Nov 3rd at 1:03pm 2004

I hate to bring this up, I really do. But I have to ask, why did the US government go along with the DIEBOLD machines even though people have found so many problems with them?



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Posted by Rumple on Wed Nov 3rd at 1:13pm 2004

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We can hope, or at least hope that Mr Blair has the balls to stand up and make his voice known on the issues that matter, for it hasn't been much of a coalition so far between the US/UK - more a "jump! - how high?" style relationship.


ditto (except Mr Howard instead of Mr Blair)
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Posted by pepper on Wed Nov 3rd at 1:35pm 2004

why do they always forget the small country's in europe, like The netherlands and belgium.....
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Posted by Gwil on Wed Nov 3rd at 1:43pm 2004

I did say and around the world as well - I mention those specifically because they hold a lot of sway on the world political stage, and with no disrespect, Holland and Belgium don't

It doesn't mean nobody cares, for instance just yesterday I was watching a report on a Dutch filmmaker, possibly shot by a Muslim for his latest filmwork - or possibly linked with the murder of that right wing politician a few years ago. Very odd stuff.

In the great scheme of world affairs though, Holland and Belgium aren't the powers they used to be - especially concerning American affairs, which is a very insular society. Europeans are interested in these smaller countries, but I wouldn't expect Americans (north and south), or Asians say, to have much reason to be interested in the affairs of the smaller European states.

It's just the way it is, and i'd be happy if I were living there - means you don't get dragged into nasty wars, or the corrupt G8 etc etc...
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Posted by pepper on Wed Nov 3rd at 1:55pm 2004

our idiotic minister balkenende has dragged us in a war, where in iraq to....
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Posted by scary_jeff on Wed Nov 3rd at 2:39pm 2004

I don't care what anyone says, it's still possible for Ralph to win



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Posted by Leperous on Wed Nov 3rd at 4:32pm 2004

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUSH WINS (officially)

/starts building "nucular" shelter





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Posted by Gwil on Wed Nov 3rd at 4:36pm 2004

Here's something to cheer everyone up

http://www.theonion.org/news/index.php?issue=4044

Apart from maybe the Americans


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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Nov 3rd at 4:59pm 2004

? quoting Gwil
Apart from maybe the Americans

enough already.. as bad as it may be for you guys, you should have to live in a country that elects losers like bush or kerry to power positions..

its embarrassing enough, constantly needling us about it doesn't instill kindredness..

i think i can speak for all the americans here, lets trade tit for tat, the next time we talk about your countries leaders, you can talk about ours.. deal?

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Posted by Gwil on Wed Nov 3rd at 5:01pm 2004

It was a joke... ?

You really are waaaaaay over sensitive sometimes, Orph

edit: also, please mock our country and its leaders all you like. they're just as bad, if not worse than Dubya. and almost certain to gain re-election next February-ish time. a little black humour is just a way of coping with a world gone mad..


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Posted by siron on Wed Nov 3rd at 5:07pm 2004

gwil: i wouldn't suggest poking fun at us today, its a touchy moment. i myself am very upset that bush won, and i find it hard to believe so many people could vote for such a man..

i think we should have a snarkmeet, and all go egg bush's limo as it drives by on inauguration day.




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Nov 3rd at 5:09pm 2004

I agree to some degree Orph, but they really do have more legitimate interest in our leaders then we do in theirs. After all, it has practically no affect on us whatsoever who the leaders in Europe are, but who the American president is affects them quite strongly. It's quite understandable that they are a little bitter about it.

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Posted by Gwil on Wed Nov 3rd at 5:12pm 2004

Exactly, the US President affects the rest of the world - and I know you guys get the sore end of the deal at your homes with the economic problems, but everything he does, affects us, as Tracer says.

I stayed up all night urging Kerry to win, not to much avail though

And im not frickin poking fun, I was making some light of a bad situation with a humurous website article, from theonion - which is American, isn't it?
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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Nov 3rd at 5:16pm 2004

yeah, well the ratio's don't support the level of digging that goes on around here.. understand, i could care less honestly if the drag our presidents name through the streets till doomsday, but sometimes the comments strike home a little closer.. its not the content of the discussions, its the delivery methods that bother me.. its like talking about ugly sisters, the topic is benign, but then someone says "yeah have you seen so-and-so's sister, now theres a dog" .. the subject takes on a different light then and there..

anywho's as i said, i am not political so, its prolly best i stay out of it..

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