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Posted by Loco on Sat Nov 13th at 8:04am 2004

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I wonder, where are your setting saved when you use a liveCD like Knoppix or DamnSmallLinux ?


No idea about DamnSmallLinux, but Knoppix has the ability to use a USB key or something like it as a home folder, so you effectively have all the software of a computer on a cd and usb key. Not sure how it works, but I think there may be a config tool in there or something. I'm afraid I don't have the Knoppix disk to hand to try it out.
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Posted by gimpinthesink on Sun Nov 14th at 1:00am 2004

Well I have downloaded SuSE and I have been trying to install it and it comes up with a error under the software section when it scans the system to see what its like and so you can change stuff. Anyway the error reads "Error: No Proposal" and from what I can gather it means that it cannot find KDE or Gnome is this correct?

and if so do you know where I could find Gnome or the file to run gnome and how to get the installer to find it? [addsig]



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Posted by Monqui on Sun Nov 14th at 1:25am 2004

Is it giving you that during the actual install process, or what? [addsig]



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Posted by gimpinthesink on Sun Nov 14th at 10:51am 2004

no its the section before the actual install it wont let me run the actual install because of the error




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Posted by scary_jeff on Sun Nov 14th at 11:00am 2004

Did you do an md5 check on the images before you burned them to CD?



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Posted by gimpinthesink on Sun Nov 14th at 11:22am 2004

yeh and it said it was ok [addsig]



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Posted by Monqui on Sun Nov 14th at 4:58pm 2004

That would have nothing to do with KDE or Gnome, then. KDE and Gnome are just windows managers for a piece of software called X. X is basically a graphical interface that Linux uses. In any case, you need to have a basic Linux install before you even have to worry about X or and Windows manager.

Ok, another question- would you mind listing your HDD partitions, and what they're partitioned as?

EG:

C: NTFS
D: FAT32
E: NTFS
F: EX2 [addsig]



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Posted by fraggard on Sun Nov 14th at 5:02pm 2004

gimpz0r: a google search on your error turned up this link:
http://www.vmware.com/support/guestnotes/doc/guestos_suse91.html

Scroll down a bit to find:

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Installation from DVD May Stop with an Error Message

Installation from a DVD may stop at the Software item under Installation Settings with the following error message: No base selection available. ERROR: No proposal. SUSE has seen this problem on both physical and virtual machines. To work around the problem inside a virtual machine, type the following at the boot prompt as you begin the installation:

linux cdromdevice=/dev/hdc

Replace /dev/hdc with the appropriate device name if your CD-ROM device is not the master device on the second IDE channel. The installation should then proceed normally.





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Posted by Wild Card on Fri Nov 19th at 7:07pm 2004

Ok, I got Mandrake 10.1 Community installed on my laptop but Im running into some problems. Not only do I not know what Im doing () But I cant seem to get my wireless card working either. Its a U.S.Robotics 802.11b card.

Right now Im running on KDE (I tried GNOME but I didnt like it very much. But I guess thats because I had spent more time on KDE before hand)

As well, whenever I click on the "Configure your Computer" button, and then when I click on something like "hardware" or "Boot loader" or anything, it takes ages to load. Like, hours sometimes. And sometimes I just give up and restart the computer.

Thanks. (And sorry for reviving an old thread, just too lazzy to create a new one.)

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Posted by Crono on Fri Nov 19th at 7:32pm 2004

? quoting Wild Card
Ok, I got Mandrake 10.1 Community installed on my laptop but Im running into some problems. Not only do I not know what Im doing (smiley) But I cant seem to get my wireless card working either. Its a U.S.Robotics 802.11b card.

Right now Im running on KDE (I tried GNOME but I didnt like it very much. But I guess thats because I had spent more time on KDE before hand)

As well, whenever I click on the "Configure your Computer" button, and then when I click on something like "hardware" or "Boot loader" or anything, it takes ages to load. Like, hours sometimes. And sometimes I just give up and restart the computer.

Thanks. (And sorry for reviving an old thread, just too lazzy to create a new one.)


Please tell me you're restarting the computer using "logout" and not your power button... [addsig]



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Posted by Wild Card on Fri Nov 19th at 7:40pm 2004

Unfortunatly when happens I have to press the power button because the mouse wont move, and the keyboard wont press. Heck it takes upwards of 20 seconds for the CAPS lock light to turn on after I press the button [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Fri Nov 19th at 7:42pm 2004

Then wait. Seriously, it is very detramental on Linux to just shut it down, you can easily mess up your table structure and then you have re-install the OS.

If it "freezes" it is most likely busy, not frozen. Also, you can try pressing "ctrl+c", I can't remember if that works in windowed modes, but it is the kill command, it should kill whatever process is running and return to normal.

It is most likely gathering information about your hardware, so let it run. It isn't Windows and it doesn't put up with noob user BS (no offense) [addsig]



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Posted by Wild Card on Fri Nov 19th at 8:16pm 2004

Yea but why does it have to take so long lol. And I dont mind, I am a noob Linux user.

Ok, I let it run this time, and when I close it, I have no taskbar or desktop icons anymore. Just the background.

And how do I set up my network card?

(Yes, Im being annoying, I know )

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Posted by Crono on Sat Nov 20th at 2:53am 2004

Have you tried refreshing the desktop?

Also, hitting ctrl+alt+del under most linux X modes to bring up logout information.

You install your ethernet card by going to whatever install wizard they have and configuring it. Or you can go to the manufacturer site and download linux drivers, unpack and install them.

Try looking for some information, it isn't hard to find. [addsig]



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Posted by Wild Card on Sat Nov 20th at 10:34pm 2004

Ctrl+Alt+Del doesnt do anything. And its like the laptop doesnt even recognise the wireless card.

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Posted by Crono on Sun Nov 21st at 12:08am 2004

? quoting Wild Card
Ctrl+Alt+Del doesnt do anything. And its like the laptop doesnt even recognise the wireless card.


It doesn't have auto configuration unless the hardware was inserted during the installation of the operating system. [addsig]



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Posted by Hornpipe2 on Sun Nov 21st at 12:11am 2004

You might need to compile the kernel again to get support for your wireless card. www.kernel.og has the latest kernel source - I recommend the latest 2.6 version since pre-emptible kernel patches can speed your system up a lot. Fedora probably has their own kernel source in an RPM somewhere, but I prefer the vanilla stuff unless you need the extra patches.

Right now I'm running Slackware on my main computer (and I got Xinerama working - two screens, hooray!) with IceWM as my window manager. KDE and Gnome are neat and are great for when you're first migrating from Windows to Linux, but I prefer IceWM because it's a heck of a lot faster. Besides that, it supports all the KDE and Gnome apps anyway - just without all the bloat.

My server is running Gentoo. Word of warning - you won't get your system back for up to two days if you tell it to compile everything from source. Make sure you're on Broadband when you try this. I've been pretty impressed with Gentoo but I miss all the "default installed" packages that Slackware came with. Nothing's more annoying than realizing your system didn't come with Telnet installed, for example.

So what to use? Knoppix is great for learning without having to make any changes. When you are ready to make the jump go ahead and install either Fedora or Mandrake - both very user friendly, although Fedora is taking a very hardcore approach to free software and so their XMMS doesn't ship with an MP3 plugin, etc. (I think. They might have changed that since then).
After that I'd suggest launching straight into Slackware or Gentoo. You'll learn to compile from source using makefiles (not hard at all), and you'll do a lot of work with the console management stuff and edit a lot of config files by hand. By the time you've figured out your Slackware system you'll be a real Linux poweruser.



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Posted by Wild Card on Sun Nov 21st at 1:46am 2004

So would I just be better off installing Knoppix Linux then? Or reinstalling Mandrake (by the way, during Mandrake install, a lot of stuff I ddint know what I was doing)

One more question, are ISOs permanent? Or can they be deleted?

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Posted by Monqui on Sun Nov 21st at 2:22am 2004

You don't 'install' knoppix- it's not a permanant thing. It's only there when you boot to the knoppix CD. Nothing is actually installed on your computer- it's all run just from the CD. So, take out the knoppix disk, you get rid of the linux.

If you want something simple, I'd say go with either Debian of Fedora. I've never used Fedora, but from what I've heard, it's pretty simple.

You can try to use the Debian net install, but I'm not sure if it will work with your wireless card or not. To get it, simply go to this site:

http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .

There is a set of links with the title : "netinst CD image, with Debian base".

Click on the "I386" link below that. Burn that to a CD, and boot to it.

If you don't want to risk doing a netinstall, since it may not detect your network card, go here: ftp://sunsite.ualberta.ca/pub/Linux/debian/debian-iso/images/current/i386/ and download those ISO's and burn them to a CD.

It'll ask you the basic questions, and when you get to the part where it asks where you want to install linux, either select the top option, or select the bottom (manually configure your partition table).

Once there, it'll show you a list of all of your partitions. Highlight the one you want, and hit enter. Then, set the format type to EX2, make it bootable, and have the root set to "/".

Once through that, it'll install the basic Debian packages.

Then, it'll spit out the CD and ask you to reboot. It should reboot into your new Debian install.

Next, it'll ask you where you want to get the rest of your packages from. If it successfully detects your network card, select HTTP and pick a region and a host nearby you. If you did the CD, select CD and follow the prompts.

After a while, a menu will show up asking you what you want to install- at the very least, since you're new to the whole process, select the Desktop managers one (should be first on the list) and anything else you KNOW that you'll want.

Let it do its thing, following prompts if it asks you anything. If you don't know any specific value, it'll usually have a default value set up or tell you what everything does.

With any luck, then, once it's done installing it should boot you into a nice Linux desktop manager.

I know it seems complicated, but it was probably one of the easiest Linux installs that I've ever done. In all honesty, it's really not more difficult than a Windows install, it's just that they have different names for things.

Oh, and all ISO's are are CD images. As in, you open up Nero or Roxio or whatever you use, and load that image, and then burn it to a CD. If you want to get rid of the ISO afterwords, go right ahead and do it. All the pertinent information *should* be on the CD (unless the burn process fails). [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Nov 21st at 2:48am 2004

I have been following this thread for days and the only thing I know for certain is, it contains the 26 letters of the alphabet, and a few numerals. [addsig]




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