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Posted by Hugh on Sun Nov 14th at 10:42pm 2004

? quoting Crono

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True or not, US intelligence failed to predict the 9-11 events. Will they fail again?

*cough* commander and chief sort of ignored their warnings when they did know

Meh, he knew that they were considering using planes as a weapon, not where they were going to hit and where, so naturally he wouldn't say anything, as "Terrorists plan to use planes as weapons" would slightly hamper the airline industry and throw everyone into a hissy fit about "vague threats," something the Democrats like to complain about now.

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Posted by Wild Card on Sun Nov 14th at 11:00pm 2004

? quoting Gwil
He's also Saudi Arabian, not French. Bin Laden is the correct name

ROFLMAO!!!

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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Mon Nov 15th at 1:50am 2004

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? quoting Alien_Sniper
Newsflash: He flew two planes into the world trade center.

I don't think there's any doubt as to wether or not he would use nukes if he had them.

Taking down two towers cannot be compared with nuclear explosion: we're talking about contaminating a land for many decades, mass lung and skin cancer in a vast perimeter, etc... Remember Hiroshima and Tchernobil. For two buildings the US has already invaded two countries (considering Iraq is another reply for 9/11). A nuclear attack is by far a much worse offense; so they must expect a proportional strike back from the American eagle, in case they have the means to do it. Even if Ben Laden is a lunatic, his allies certainly are not.



It was the killing of innocent people I was comparing, rather than the method. You have to be bats**t to kill people like that, no matter how you do it, or how many you kill.

I doubt land contamination would put him off using a nuke.


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And IF he had one he still would have to make a launchpad and a crew smart enough to program it. Personally i think it would be pretty hard to get hold of such a staff.


As far as I know, the only feasible way to detonate a nuke in America would be to actually smuggle it in rather than launch it.




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Posted by Spartan on Mon Nov 15th at 1:57am 2004

? quoting Alien_Sniper
As far as I know, the only feasible way to detonate a nuke in America would be to actually smuggle it in rather than launch it.

The easiest way to get a nuke into America would be by ship. If they were to detonate one it would be at a port city with a large population and maybe a military station. The four most likeliest cities would be New York, D.C., Miami, and San Diego.





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Posted by Hugh on Mon Nov 15th at 2:32am 2004

And Miami would be the most logical of those because its state voted for Bush... infidels. [addsig]



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Posted by Spartan on Mon Nov 15th at 2:35am 2004

? quoting Hugh
And Miami would be the most logical of those because its state voted for Bush... infidels.

If that is your theory then they will need a lot of nukes.





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Posted by Mephs on Mon Nov 15th at 10:21am 2004

So, is he currently planning to put his nukes along with those ones that Iraq had? Its a good spot since you can deploy em within 45 minutes. No, wait...that was a totally made up claim to panic people and make it seem like invading another country and changing its regime was justifiable wasn't it?

Oh well, im sure they've got it right this time. Maybe they'll be in another country full of oil. Now wouldnt that be handy?

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Posted by Spartan on Mon Nov 15th at 10:45am 2004

Why are we even arguing over this? Obviously these sources are a bunch of crap so there's is nothing to worry about.



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Posted by Mephs on Mon Nov 15th at 11:57am 2004

Spartan, you know that and I know that but when the media is full of these scare stories (99% fabrications) it still has the intended effect of terrifying the unthinking masses. [addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Mon Nov 15th at 12:16pm 2004

It's also worth discussing the idea and it's implications. Not that we can change anything, but hey.



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Posted by Mephs on Mon Nov 15th at 12:36pm 2004

I know saying this could get me shot over in the US in the current climate as some kind of 'terrorist sympathiser', but the fact is all this stuff about Bin Laden would do anything to destroy the west if he could is a steaming load of....speculation. We only hear whatever America and the UK say he can and cannot do, and what he wants and what his demands (which he doesnt seem to have, accept for killing 'infidels', which doesn't make a lot of sense) exactly are.

It doesn't help anyone, other than those with their own agenda to mix fact and fiction. Look up any other terrorist organisation and you will at least know what they want and what their general tactics are. Look up Al Qaeda and its a load of "maybe they'll nuke us", "maybe they'll eat us", "and maybe they'll put poo in your food so you'll drink poo-water" etc.

I want a clear idea of the group, minus war propaganda, and I think I deserve that.

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Posted by Wild Card on Mon Nov 15th at 12:46pm 2004

Times like these Im happy I dont live in the US [addsig]



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Posted by Mephs on Mon Nov 15th at 3:04pm 2004

? quoting fraggard

Edit: BTW: who exactly is this Michael scheuer? It seems implausible to me that the CIA would allow it's "head of the CIA unit charged with tracking down the Saudi terrorist" to write two books against US policies on fighting terrorists.

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Astonishingly, Scheuer, while a CIA employee, was given full clearance to promote his book.

"As long as the book was being used to bash the President, they (CIA executives) gave me carte blanche to talk to the media," he said.

I was just reading an article "It's war: the CIA vs Bush". It seems all the 'liberals' in the CIA allowed him to do it as part of an anti-Bush smear campaign during the elections. I could well believe it, seeing as the administration and the CIA don't seem to be getting along, and Bush is pretty much 're-organising' the whole thing.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11398926%255E2703,00.html

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Posted by Kain on Mon Nov 15th at 3:40pm 2004

? quoting Mephs

...what he wants and what his demands (which he doesnt seem to have, accept for killing 'infidels', which doesn't make a lot of sense) exactly are.

Well, one of the main reasons Arabs in general (including me, except that I'm very fond of American culture) blame the US, is their biased position in the Israeli conflict. Another reason is Muslim fundamentalism who proclaims the "Jihad", sacred war against the enemies of Islam. Add to this the memory of the cold war, since this part of the world was pro-USSR, you have 3 sufficiant reasons.

But with el-Qaeda, there seems to be something else IMHO, that has to do with secret services: Bin Laden did formerly work with the CIA; the Bin Ladens disappeared the next day after 9/11; Bin Laden reappears "suddenly" on TV before the elections...





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Posted by Juim on Mon Nov 15th at 4:01pm 2004

If you want a more clear idea, maybe this will help.

I am NOT condoning his beliefs,nor am I corraborating his statements. This is a literal translation of his speech directed to the American people. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

This was found using Google keyword "Bin Laden tapes".

Aside from the fact that he is basically a terrorist, he seems to have a rather firm grasp of Bush and his cronies, and their motives.





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Posted by Hugh on Mon Nov 15th at 5:55pm 2004

? quoting Kain
? quoting Mephs

...what he wants and what his demands (which he doesnt seem to have, accept for killing 'infidels', which doesn't make a lot of sense) exactly are.

Well, one of the main reasons Arabs in general (including me, except that I'm very fond of American culture) blame the US, is their biased position in the Israeli conflict. Another reason is Muslim fundamentalism who proclaims the "Jihad", sacred war against the enemies of Islam. Add to this the memory of the cold war, since this part of the world was pro-USSR, you have 3 sufficiant reasons.

But with el-Qaeda, there seems to be something else IMHO, that has to do with secret services: Bin Laden did formerly work with the CIA; the Bin Ladens disappeared the next day after 9/11; Bin Laden reappears "suddenly" on TV before the elections...

1. The CIA worked with him because Soviets were in Afghani territory and, well, we just didn't like the Soviets. I suppose you could make the argument that the US has replaced the USSR and Iraq has replaced Afghanistan, but many countries (or at least their countrymen) are helping Iraq now.

2. You're assuming that because Osama's related to them, that they must condone everything that he does, but he's been disowned by them. - http://www.ibb.gov/fugitives/binladen.html

3. When bin Laden appeared before the elections, he essentially said Bush is a liar and that whoever interferes with their security will have their security interfered with as well. I don't see how that's a pro-Bush mesasge.

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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Nov 16th at 4:34am 2004

this guy had the balls to shoot two planes at my country? kill damn near three thousand of my countrymen.....

f**k it....i want him dead.

....and if ya gotta go thru pakistan or syria or iran to do it........so be it.

Dr Brasso.....

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Posted by Mephs on Tue Nov 16th at 3:12pm 2004

....then bush uses it as an excuse to go into Iraq and get another load of your countrymen killed by people totally unrelated to Al Qaeda. [addsig]




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