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Posted by Wild Card on Mon Nov 15th at 10:48pm 2004

Speaking of which, I have my copy reserved, (YAY PICKUP TOMOROW!!) But... if Im buying in stores, what pakage is it? Gold, Silver or bronze? [addsig]



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Posted by Irenicis on Mon Nov 15th at 11:07pm 2004

if you just wanna play the game....Silver is enough. [addsig]



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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Mon Nov 15th at 11:11pm 2004

? quoting Wild Card
Speaking of which, I have my copy reserved, (YAY PICKUP TOMOROW!!) But... if Im buying in stores, what pakage is it? Gold, Silver or bronze?

There are no gold/silver/bronze packages in stores. There's either the standard or collector's edition. I'm not exactly sure what's in either, but I'm certain you could look it up.





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Posted by Leperous on Tue Nov 16th at 12:33am 2004

Standard is the equivalent of the "bronze" package, and I think the collector's edition is the equivalent of the "gold" one.



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Nov 16th at 12:52am 2004

The only real equivelant is between bronze and standard retail - all the others are quite different. Only silver and gold give you HL1:Source and DoD:Source for example, and I think only they get you the Valve back catalogue. Collectors retail is just standard retail with some extra non-gaming stuff, like some sort of strategy guide, clothing, etc... I think.

Basically, it seems only silver gets you all the games with none of the extras, which is why I went for it.
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Posted by G.Ballblue on Tue Nov 16th at 1:03am 2004

I'd like to hear an answer for Wil5on's question :O I'm buying the full DVD Pack on Wednesday -- me wants VH4! [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Nov 16th at 1:08am 2004

Valve spokespeople have said the full SDK will be released soon after HL2 hits the shelves, which sort of SUGGESTS that it isn't included in any retail packs.
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Posted by Crono on Tue Nov 16th at 1:19am 2004

I think the retail versions actually DO give you the same stuff (back catalog). The listings they gave are probably just what comes on the physical discs (remember those round things games used to come on, HL1 had one). I'm pretty sure if you buy the collectors edition and put the key in through steam you can download everything. I mean, honestly, do you think they're going to have DoD source cost extra money only if you bought a retail copy and not a copy through steam?

I also bet that if you just install HL2 straight from the box it'll have a superficial steam interface once you run the game.
These are just deductions, but it wouldn't make sense to say, "these people who payed the same price don't get the same product" [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Nov 16th at 1:27am 2004

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I mean, honestly, do you think they're going to have DoD source cost extra money only if you bought a retail copy and not a copy through steam?


To be honest, I bloody hope so, because I paid ?40 to get the silver pack DUE to the fact it included DoD:S and HL1:S. I could have bought the retail version and got it for under ?30, but I didn't because it apparently doesn't get you DoD:S and HL1:S. If Valve then turn around and just give it out to everyone for free, then they have conned a lot of people into buying on Steam for no benefit.
[addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Tue Nov 16th at 1:55am 2004

Did it ever occur to you that the extra money was for the back catalog and not the source mods? I mean as a possibility.

Obviously, no one outside of that company knows how it's going to be panned out.
The only thing is, they haven't explained what options the HL2 retail packs will have when used with steam. Honestly, if they keep them seperate, that would be far worse then you and some other people paying a small amount for some things you alread had because the details were never explained properly. [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Nov 16th at 2:24am 2004

If you look at the original release options (quote from PHL news)...

? quote:

Retail Boxes
  • Standard Edition - includes HL2 and CS:Source. Ships on six CDs, in one of three box-art packages (Gordon, Alyx or the G-Man).
  • Collector's Edition ? includes Half-Life 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 1: Source, a Half-Life 2 T-shirt and a Prima book sampler. Ships on a single DVD.
Steam Packages
  • Bronze - HL2* and CS:Source.
  • Silver - HL2*, Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 1: Source*, Day of Defeat: Source*, Valve's back catalog currently available on Steam.
  • Gold - HL2*, Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 1: Source*, Day of Defeat: Source*, Valve's back catalog currently available on Steam, Complete Strategy Guide from Prima Games, 3 different Half-Life 2 posters, Half-Life 2 hat, Half-Life 2 postcard, Half-Life 2 stickers, Half-Life 2 Soundtrack CD, Chance to win a trip to Valve! (1 trip offered for every 5000 Gold packages purchased).

...it shows that neither bronze nor either retail option lists DoD:S, and neither bronze or standard retail lists HL1:S. If everybody is going to be getting DoD:S free then that really doesn't make it look so.
[addsig]



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Posted by Irenicis on Tue Nov 16th at 4:02am 2004

does the standard or collector's edition comes with the back catalog? [addsig]



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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue Nov 16th at 4:08am 2004

I'd surmise that if either of them comes with the complete back catalogue it would be the collector's edition. It wouldn't make sense for the standard edition to get the back catalogue and not the bronze edition through steam. Seriously this should be a nonissue as if you were going to get the steam version you'd have it by now and odds are you won't be finding many collector's editions sitting around tomorrow.



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Posted by Crono on Tue Nov 16th at 4:12am 2004

? quoting ReNo
If you look at the original release options (quote from PHL news)...
? quote:
Retail Boxes
Standard Edition - includes HL2 and CS:Source. Ships on six CDs, in one of three box-art packages (Gordon, Alyx or the G-Man).Collector's Edition ? includes Half-Life 2, Counter-Strike:
Source, Half-Life 1: Source, a Half-Life 2 T-shirt and a Prima book
sampler. Ships on a single DVD.
Steam Packages
Bronze - HL2* and CS:Source.Silver - HL2*, Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 1: Source*,
Day of Defeat: Source*, Valve's back catalog currently available on
Steam.Gold - HL2*, Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 1: Source*,
Day of Defeat: Source*, Valve's back catalog currently available on
Steam, Complete Strategy Guide from Prima Games, 3 different Half-Life
2 posters, Half-Life 2 hat, Half-Life 2 postcard, Half-Life 2 stickers,
Half-Life 2 Soundtrack CD, Chance to win a trip to Valve! (1 trip
offered for every 5000 Gold packages purchased).

...it shows that neither bronze nor either retail option lists DoD:S,
and neither bronze or standard retail lists HL1:S. If everybody is
going to be getting DoD:S free then that really doesn't make it look so.




All I said, is those listings you quoted only imply what will be shipped on the actual discs, not what will be available to you once you use the program with your steam account.

Why do you think it only lists HL1 source and not DoD:S with the collectors edition? Simply because it isn't going to be out with the retail pack. That doesn't mean it wont be available. I'm fairly sure anyone who has HL2 will be able to use DoD:S, it wouldn't make sense if they couldn't, because they paid $5 less for something that's generally free?

That's all.

Just to reiterate, the retail list is what comes in the box. They haven't said anything about future releases in conjunction with steam. Doesn't really matter though, we'll find out tomorrow. Well ... I'll find out tomorrow [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Nov 16th at 4:32am 2004

If they list DoD:S at all, it should be listed in the packages it will be made available to owners of. It makes no sense to list it in silver and gold if all the packages will get it through steam - bronze at least should have it listed if that is the case, and it should be made obvious that it is available for retail buyers just not straight from the box. Listing it in those sections makes it look like the only way to get DoD:S is to buy silver or gold. If thats not the case, then I'd say they have purposefully conned people into buying over steam by leading them to believe they are getting more than people who buy the other deals.
[addsig]



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Posted by Irenicis on Tue Nov 16th at 4:35am 2004

yea, it's not clear... [addsig]



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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Nov 16th at 4:36am 2004

got the gold pack......we'll see if all the paraphenalia steps to the hype as well....

Doc B...

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Posted by Crono on Tue Nov 16th at 5:08am 2004

? quoting ReNo
If they list DoD:S at all, it should be listed in the packages it will
be made available to owners of. It makes no sense to list it in silver
and gold if all the packages will get it through steam - bronze
at least should have it listed if that is the case, and it should be
made obvious that it is available for retail buyers just not straight
from the box. Listing it in those sections makes it look like the only
way to get DoD:S is to buy silver or gold. If thats not the
case, then I'd say they have purposefully conned people into buying
over steam by leading them to believe they are getting more than people
who buy the other deals.



A common marketing practice.

All I'm saying is just because it doesn't say it has it doesn't mean it wont eventually have it.

I don't even know if they're going to interact Retail copy with steam, if they don't wouldn't that be equally conning? Or is it only conning since you bought the silver package? Because that's basically what I'm getting from you, which I doubt it what you mean.

They haven't listen how the retail packs interact with steam. I just imagine they wouldn't f**k over a huge percentage of people who are purchasing it through a retail outlets. [addsig]



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Nov 16th at 5:34am 2004

What do you mean by how the retail versions interact with steam? Valve have made fairly clear that you need to activate your retail copy over steam. I imagine how it works is that the CD's just contain the data other people have preloaded, and once it is installed you just activate it over steam by entering your CD key. Your steam account will then be updated to give you access to whatever games you have bought.

What Valve listed in the purchase options should be what people are given. I bought the silver pack because it had DoD:S and HL1:S while the retail versions didn't, and I'm not the only person who made their decision based on that. People who buy the retail version do so with full knowledge of what they were getting (or at least the knowledge is available to them online quite readily) - nowhere does it say that they will get DoD:S and HL1:S (except for the CE of course). If what Valve have been showing isn't what people will get, I'll be pissed off. I think that its well within my rights to be so.
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Posted by Crono on Tue Nov 16th at 6:33am 2004

I imaged that the retail copies would have a stand alone version of HL2. If you used the CD key in Steam then it would do all that steam junk.

Wait ... so you're saying that the CE edition should come with the game options but the normal retail can't even though neither say they'll have those game options?

Also, a lot of people (me included) flat out paid for HL2 back when it was suppose to come out the first time, well before they announced the Steam versions and before Sierra went under.

Anyway, all I said in the first place was, that crap was a list of what came with it. The only reason why the steam versions have unreleased games under its catalog is because they know you'll be using steam. If you buy a copy of HL2 at some store it doesn't mean you'll use steam. It doesn't even mean you'll play online (which is why they were going to release sp versions only before the Sierra undertaking). That's why, I would imagine, the retail versions would have different options once the CD key is used with Steam.
Otherwise, it's just a game CD like any other game.

Are my points clear? Or ... ?

I mean, for all I know, the Normal Retail version will have the option for you to send in $5 and unlock the back catalog, who knows? [addsig]




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