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 Re: Question about the HL2 SDK
Posted by fraggard on Fri Nov 19th at 11:16am 2004

Short question: Is there any way to download the HL2 SDK via HTTP (without Steam)?

Long Question: I can download any amount of stuff via regular HTTP downloads on my college network. No limits on what I can get, how big, how fast etc. It's a mostly unused T1 line, so I can use it for downloading almost anything. But my admin will never agree to opening up any ports other than HTTP. Right now all he allows is FTP, POP, and a couple other ports. So I can't run steam. And it's no use if I try to download it at home. So basically the only option left to me is to somehow get the HL2 SDK via regular internet downloads. Is there any way to do this right now? Or Alternatively, is there any way I can tunnel through the firewall and use Steam?





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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Fri Nov 19th at 11:18am 2004

Short: No

Long: ...nope

As for tunneling, I wouldn't know. I'm sure there are ways. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Fri Nov 19th at 11:23am 2004

To get through the router, firewall, whatever, you have to open the ports Steam asks for if they're not already open (if you can't run steam at all, obviously they're not open).

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The following ports must be open in your firewall and router for Steam and Steam Games to work:

UDP 1200 (used for friends service)
UDP 27000 to 27015 inclusive
TCP 27030 to 27039 inclusive


There isn't an http version (Go Steam ) But, that might change when the full sdk is released. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Nov 19th at 11:39am 2004

my sympathies to any school members not able to acquire the editor due to downloading issues

if there were a way, i would put it in my briefcase for you frag.. if you come up with one, gimme a yell, i'll be happy to help.

[addsig]



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 Re: Question about the HL2 SDK
Posted by Crono on Fri Nov 19th at 11:49am 2004

? quoting Orpheus
my sympathies to any school members not able to acquire the editor due to downloading issues

if there were a way, i would put it in my briefcase for you frag.. if you come up with one, gimme a yell, i'll be happy to help.


What are you talking about? Just copy over the GCF file (sourcesdk.gcf) and as long as he has HL2 it should work.

I imagine it'd be best to take your computer to an open network sometime for authentications. [addsig]



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Posted by fraggard on Fri Nov 19th at 11:51am 2004

  • I can tunnel apps if my firewall is Socks 4/5, but it's a HTTP proxy.
  • I can tunnel apps through HTTP proxy, but only TCP ports. Steam requires UDP.
  • I can tunnel UDP apps separately, but not together with the TCP tunnel because the programs conflict with each other.
  • I've found non conflicting programs, but the TCP tunnelling program uses some old code which doesnt work with the ports steam uses.

I think I'm going to go and cry now.

? posted by Kage_Prototype
Short: No

Long: ...nope

I hate you.

? posted by Crono
To get through the router, firewall, whatever, you have to open the ports Steam asks for if they're not already open (if you can't run steam at all, obviously they're not open).

There isn't an http version (Go Steam ) But, that might change when the full sdk is released.

The ports are most definitely closed. Hopefully I can get the full sdk without steam. I never played anything but hlDM, and stopped playing that when Steam started up anyway.

? posted by Orpheus

my sympathies to any school members not able to acquire the editor due to downloading issues

if there were a way, i would put it in my briefcase for you frag.. if you come up with one, gimme a yell, i'll be happy to help.

Thanks a lot for the offer Orph, but the full SDK's GCF might be too big for you to upload at all, even if your briefcase has that much space. Thanks a bunch for the offer though. (PS: this side of the world, college = university and not school)

posted by Crono
What are you talking about? Just copy over the GCF file (sourcesdk.gcf) and as long as he has HL2 it should work.

I imagine it'd be best to take your computer to an open network sometime for authentications.

I'm not buying HL2 until I can confirm that I can get the SDK. And authentication isn't a problem. My home connection can handle that.

Damn it all.





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Posted by Crono on Fri Nov 19th at 12:00pm 2004

? quoting fraggard

  • I can tunnel apps if my firewall is Socks 4/5, but it's a HTTP proxy.
  • I can tunnel apps through HTTP proxy, but only TCP ports. Steam requires UDP.
  • I can tunnel UDP apps separately, but not together with the TCP tunnel because the programs conflict with each other.
  • I've found non conflicting programs, but the TCP tunnelling program uses some old code which doesnt work with the ports steam uses.

I think I'm going to go and cry now.


I think all you need to do is get the packages/GCF files VIA http, then when you get a chance, take your rig over to a more open connection and validate like there's no tomorrow, then go to offline mode and you'll be able to use Steam at your school.

I believe you mentioned something about your parents home (I assume, since you refer to where you live as school and another place as home) [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Nov 19th at 12:00pm 2004

? quoting Crono
What are you talking about? Just copy over the GCF file (sourcesdk.gcf) and as long as he has HL2 it should work.

I imagine it'd be best to take your computer to an open network sometime for authentications.

*speaks slowly for crono's sake*

gimme a yell means, locate exactly what i need to upload and i will do it, i shouldn't have to locate it from this end, as i already have it silly, i wouldn't know what is missing

if fraggard knows exactly what i need to do i will be more than happy to upload it.. its only 35 megs, thats no biggie.

[addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Fri Nov 19th at 12:00pm 2004

... for the SDK he needs sourcesdk.gcf ... and a valid copy of HL2 installed.

You can only offer one of those and I already said that's what he needed a couple posts ago. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Nov 19th at 12:04pm 2004

_________flatlines___________

my head hurts, and my butt is soggy.. BRB

[addsig]



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Posted by fraggard on Fri Nov 19th at 12:11pm 2004

My current mode of work is this: I have a desktop at home, where I live, off campus, which I use for work/play. This connection is slower, total data I can transfer is limited, but no restrictions of any sort. The connection is fast enough to play on, so no troubles playing. I just cant get the large files.

I have a laptop, which I lug to my college (university for some of you), download what I want, come home and transfer stuff to my desktop. The T1 line is in the college. But everything is restricted except my total data transfer and speed.

This setup worked for 3 years while Steam didn't exist. And then like the evil landlord in the movies, Steam shows up and demands all kinds of crap from me. Basically my solution so far is that I've played UT2003.

Bah.





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Posted by Crono on Fri Nov 19th at 12:15pm 2004

I wasn't saying download ANYTHING at the slower connection. I said AUTHENTICATE there. You can get the SDK gcf file and install HL2 (whatever means fit you) and then take the computer to the slower connection and install HL2, placing in your key and validating it. It'll take a while, but it wont be because of your connection. Then once you're done put steam in offline mode (by exiting and not logging out) and the next time you start it up at college you'll be able to play everything offline.

That's what I was explaining and have explained again [addsig]



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Posted by fraggard on Fri Nov 19th at 1:40pm 2004

? quoting Crono
I wasn't saying download ANYTHING at the slower connection. I said AUTHENTICATE there. You can get the SDK gcf file and install HL2 (whatever means fit you) and then take the computer to the slower connection and install HL2, placing in your key and validating it. It'll take a while, but it wont be because of your connection. Then once you're done put steam in offline mode (by exiting and not logging out) and the next time you start it up at college you'll be able to play everything offline.

That's what I was explaining and have explained again

I got that the first time





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 Re: Question about the HL2 SDK
Posted by Andrei on Fri Nov 19th at 5:31pm 2004

Does the HL2 SDK contain the HL2.qrk addon (yes, it officialy exists) required for editing using Quark? Or can us Quark users d/l the .qrk from the official site just as we would for any other game? [addsig]



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Posted by Forceflow on Fri Nov 19th at 5:33pm 2004

for router problems: www.portforward.com
I had to do it for all my P2P stuff.

[addsig]



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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Fri Nov 19th at 6:06pm 2004

Could you try talking to the network administrator and ask him/her to allow exceptions for legal programs such as Steam? At my school basically everything was either blocked or had packet limitations that made every single online game unplayable. Some of the more influential students got him to add exceptions to allow for certain programs like WoW, D3, and HL and now it all works great. We still can't use bittorrent or any p2p programs, but we can play HL so it's worth it.



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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Nov 19th at 6:10pm 2004

? quoting Forceflow
for router problems: www.portforward.com
I had to do it for all my P2P stuff.

sorry, but i cannot see this working as fraggard would be denied admin access to the schools routers.. BUT i did add it to my favorites.. my own router is in there

thanx force

[addsig]




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